Your Comments on the top 100 greatest Movies.
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the sting should be in atleast the top 20 shouldnt it?
yeye
- Monday, April 04, 2005 at 00:05:15 (EDT)
One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest
One of the greatest you say? I think more people would agree if they
could bare sitting through the entire damn movie, but unfortunately
it doesnt settle well for 75 percent of the crowd. Most people would
rather watch Gone In 60 Seconds so they can see a progressive plot
and an entertaining script. Sure, its Jack Nicholsons greatest
performance, but its not the kind of acting that keeps you sitting on
the edge of your seat the way Anthony Hopkins did as Hannibal Lector.
I remember leaning over to whisper to my girlfriend after the first
hour to tell her, wake me up in about 50 minutes, I heard this has a
good ending. Pave, why dont we make a rule, movies in the top 25
must be entertaining and good during the entire movie. And this
unbelievable ending was not all that great. Am I missing something,
please somebody explain this to me. A man who wants to live in an
insane asylum tries to kill the head nurse when she is responsible
for that kids death (and she craved control and leadership and
sticking to routine no matter how much of a bitch it made her out to
be), then they zap him with a few thousand volts turning him into a
vegetable just before him and his friend planned to run away and
start a new life. And I was confused about another thing. Asylums
only used shock therapy for insane people, but they didnt think he
was insane. So why did they zap him the first time? And second,
instead of sending him to the local prison why did they decide to fry
his brain instead? I was more confused than impressed by the end of
the movie. Can somebody clarify this for me?
bking
- Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 23:57:48 (EDT)
bking
Ben-Hur is number 68. it was one of the biggest movies of its time.
it may not have been the most artistic film, but the impact it had
was huge. i believe it was nominated for about 10 academy awards.
most people view it as being a big blockbuster movie with no real
substance. i found it to be good, but not necessarily great. but none
the less it has earned its place on this list.
pave
- Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 23:27:18 (EDT)
Pave,
Was there any reason Ben Herr isnt on the list? I havnt seen it since
I was a kid, but I dont remember it being a bad movie. Is it just me,
or did that movie actually suck?
bking
- Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 22:39:22 (EDT)
David Lynch,
right you are. and im glad you pointed that out before i made the
revision. though top 30 is more reasonable than top 10.
pave
- Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 18:46:49 (EDT)
bryan,
i would expect The Last Emperor to end up around the 130 mark. as for
the Coen brothers movies. they are all great movies. Fargo and Barton
Fink are the most critically acclaimed of them all. Fargo and Raising
Arizona are the most popular. all of them are highly entertaining (i
havent seen 'The Man Who Wasnt There' though so i cant comment on
it). im not sure if any of them but Fargo will make it in the end.
but to me and also to most critics Barton Fink was their most
artistic and best acted film.
pave
- Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 17:10:48 (EDT)
pave
where would you rank the last emperior?..it should be high..also i
dont think blade runner should be added..and barton fink was a really
good movie but not top 200 good..raising arizona and o'brother where
art thou are 2 better movies from the coen bros..and they have a
bigger fan following..they should be on this list before barton fink.
bryan(a.k.a.boo boo)
- Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 11:27:58 (EDT)
bob j.
hey what about 100 greatest film score composers?..john williams for
number one.
bryan(a.k.a.boo boo)
- Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 11:20:50 (EDT)
There should be a top 100 list for Greatest Film Scores of all-time.
Here is my top 15:
1.Star Wars Trilogy
2.Vertigo
3.Once Upon a Time in the West
4.The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
5.2001: A Space Odyessey
6.Psycho
7.Godfather Trilogy
8.Lord of the Rings Trilogy
9.Lawrence of Arabia
10.Gone with the Wind
11.Doctor Zhivago
12.Chinatown
13.North by Northwest
14.Jaws
15.La Strada
Bob J.
- Saturday, April 02, 2005 at 23:03:06 (EST)
The Dodgers will win the National League pennant this year
Jim Tracy
Los Angeles, CA - Saturday, April 02, 2005 at 23:02:49 (EST)
It is an absolute crime and embaressment to this list that Ikiru isn't
in the top ten, nevermind the top 100
David Lynch
- Saturday, April 02, 2005 at 16:47:12 (EST)
Titantic has to be in the top 100. Its the most successful movie of
all time!! you might not have to like it but it must be on the
list!!! stop being haters and realize its a fantastic movie
Mike
- Saturday, April 02, 2005 at 14:29:33 (EST)
Forrest Gump should be in the top 30..
Arjun
Bombay, India - Saturday, April 02, 2005 at 12:55:25 (EST)
After cutting down the list ive come up with these 75 to keep to
finish off the top 200
Diabolique
Fantasia
Peeping Tom
The Leopard
Andrei Rublev
The Jazz Singer
Aguirre, Wrath of God
Ugestu Monogatari
Life of Oharu
Pather Panchali
Aparajito
The World of Apu
Last Years at Marienbad
The Magnificent Ambersons
Notorius
Scarface (1932)
Das Boot
American Beauty
Malcolm X
Barry Lyndon
Blue Velvet
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
The Big Heat
Little Caesar
Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs
White Heat
Freaks
The Adventures of Robin Hood
The Bride of Frankenstein
Mean Streets
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Saving Private Ryan
Blade Runner
The Last Emperor
Eraserhead
L'Atalante
The 39 Steps
Un Chien Andalou
The Asphalt Jungle
Beauty and the Beast (1946)
L'Avventura
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Barton Fink
Rebecca
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
The Conversation
A Night at the Opera
Braveheart
Tootsie
The Bank Dick
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
The Usual Suspects
Last Tango in Paris
My Darling Clementine
The Lost Weekend
The Shining
How Green Was My Valley
The Public Enemy
Night of the Living Dead
Greed
Intolerance
The Big Sleep
Anatomy of a Murder
Cries and Whispers
Kiss Me Deadly
Dances with Wolves
The Red Shoes
Forrest Gump
Blow-Up
Broken Blossoms
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Rings
Blazing Saddles
The Terminator
Planet of the Apes
The Day the Earth Stood Still
with a possibility of the following
The Pianist
Young Frankenstein
The Letter
The Kid
12 Angry Men
Hamlet (Olivier's version)
that was not in any order
pave
- Friday, April 01, 2005 at 04:25:11 (EST)
*MISTAKE*
that last post should be directed towards bryan (aka booboo).
sorry for the mistake.
pave
- Friday, April 01, 2005 at 03:57:43 (EST)
bking,
im almost certain that American Beauty will be on here. its such a
great film all around. perfect acting from the whole cast. perfect
story that connected with people of all ages and never let up. im
assuming it will end up around the 140-150 area.
pave
- Friday, April 01, 2005 at 03:56:38 (EST)
pave
i certainly hope you will add american beauty to this list when it
expands to 200..thats personaly my favorite movie.
bryan(a.k.a.boo boo)
- Friday, April 01, 2005 at 03:29:08 (EST)
Pave,
I dare you to put Girls Gone Wild 5 on last place of the greatest 200
movies. Sure it doesnt deserve a spot, but just think, nobody would
ever complain about it! I sure wouldnt have a problem with it, just
for fun. Cmon, you put fucking Tommy on the movies from the 70s.
This would be even better. What would you rather watch, an Albert
Hitchcock film, or a couple of chick rolling around in mud for about
20 minutes?
bking
- Friday, April 01, 2005 at 02:51:03 (EST)
....that should say: one of those "not" so popular movie here...
Guy
- Friday, April 01, 2005 at 02:09:33 (EST)
Pave,
Pave,
No problem. Death in Venice (Visconti) is one of those mot so popular movie
here, but it is considered as a great masterpiece. And the problem is that
more often than not there is an erroneous interpretation of the story which
tend to repulse some people, but the actual meaning is very deep.
Guy
- Friday, April 01, 2005 at 02:07:13 (EST)
bking,
keep in mind i half to cut almost half of the suggestions that were
on that list. if either one gets on here, it would be T2 as it had
the biggest impact of the two and it is the more memorable one. it
will be a close call though. there are 75 more spots (i dont think
any on the current list will be dropped) to be filled. and about 35
to 40 of the movies i posted are almost sure things.
pave
- Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 17:03:55 (EST)
Pave,
I think that the Terminator movies should certainly be on the top
200. Action is a huge genre of movies that needs attention on these
lists, and those two were the best for their time (T2 was the best
action movie of all time). They were also some of the scariest movies
of all time as well, especially the first one. They were so good that
they stay under your skin after you see it for the first time. They
were two of some of my personal favorites, and you can be assured
that if they are not in the top 200 that I will protest.
bking
- Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 16:57:32 (EST)
Move 'The Godfather Part II' up to its rightful place at number 2.
swedishspeedmetal
- Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 15:26:52 (EST)
Keaton's "The General" should be WAY UP higher on this list. As
always, comedies get overlooked - but I'm glad to see you are possibly
going to add "Young Frankenstein" to your next 100.
Ron
Arlington, TX USA - Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 20:09:40 (EST)
i might have messed this up but here are my calculations as to how
many movies are from each decade in the top 100
10s- 1
20s- 6
30s- 14
40s- 12
50s- 22
60s- 16
70s- 14
80s- 7
90s- 6
00s- 2
pave
- Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 19:18:28 (EST)
ek,
there are only 12 movies from the 40's in the whole top 100.
pave
- Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 19:13:33 (EST)
This list is all crap. most of them are 1940s bore movies the only
old movie worthy to be on this list Citizen Kane
ek
- Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 19:01:24 (EST)
Get all foreign movies out of the top 10. Why isn't 'It's a Wonderful
Life' in there instead?
swedishspeedmetal
- Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 15:55:01 (EST)
A Clockwork Orange and The Shining deserve to be higher, and Full
Metal Jacket should be listed. Marathon Man should also be in the top
200.
willdeharp
- Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 05:53:30 (EST)
We need more Fight Club, American Beauty, and American History X.
rH
- Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 22:15:57 (EST)
FULL METAL JACKET
steve
- Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 21:38:09 (EST)
even more possibilities-
Boys 'N the Hood
The Matrix
Notorius
Broken Blossoms
The Last Emperor
The Kid
Greed
Sherlock, Jr.
The Crowd
Freaks
The Public Enemy
I Am a Fugitive From a Chain Gang
Trouble in Pardise
42nd Street
The Thin Man
Mutiny on the Bounty
Top Hat
The Awful Truth
Mr. Deeds Goes to Town
The Bride of Frankenstein
Camille
Dodsworth
Key Largo
Gaslight
Arsenic and Old Lace
The 39 Steps
My Man Godfrey
The Adventures of Robin Hood
The Bank Dick
The Letter
The Lady Eve
Sullivan's Travels
Bambi
Cat People
Now, Voyager
The Ox-Bow Incident
Shadow of a Doubt
Henry V
Laura
Meet Me In St. Louis
The Lost Weekend
Mildred Pierce
Brief Encounter
The Killers
A Matter of Life and Death
Miracle on 34th Street
Out of the Past
The Lady From Shanghai
Red River
The Red Shoes
Adam's Rib
All the King's Men
The Asphalt Jungle
Gun Crazy
In a Lonely Place
The Day the Earth Stood Still
Strangers on a Train
The Thing From Another World
The Quiet Man
Roman Holiday
East of Eden
Kiss Me Deadly
Lady and the Tramp
Marty
The Night of the Hunter
The Killing
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Paths of Glory
The Conversation
Saturday Night Fever
Grease
Five Easy Pieces
Enter the Dragon
In the Heat of the Night
The Lion in Winter
The Hustler
Repulsion
Blow-Up
Night of the Living Dead
The Last Picture Show
pave
- Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 19:19:20 (EST)
keep in mind, not all of those are definitly going to be added. they
are just movies im considering. i hesitate to add new movies because
they havent stood the test of time. but even without the test of
time, i still think that city of god, return of the king, fellowship
of the rings, and crouching tider hidden dragon are worthy. time will
tell if the pianist will be remembered and if eternal sunshine will
gain widespread respect. both are amazing films either way.
pave
- Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 18:19:54 (EST)
im taking the list up to 200
here are currently movies im thinking about adding
tell me any other suggestions or movies you think shouldnt be here
Diabolique
Fantasia
Cries and Whispers
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Aguirre, Wrath of God
The Usual Suspects
12 Angry Men
American Beauty
The Big Heat
Little Caesar
Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs
White Heat
Das Boot
Ivan the Terrible, part I
Ivan the Terrible, part II
Barry Lyndon
Andrei Rublev
Barton Fink
Scarface (1932)
My Darling Clementine
The Magnificent Ambersons
Pather Panchali
Aparajito
The World of Apu
LAtalante
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Life of Oharu
Ugestu Monogatari
His Girl Friday
To Be or Not to Be
Eraserhead
Blue Velvet
Intolerance
Letter from an Unknown Woman
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
Monsieur Verdoux
Anatomy of a Murder
From Russia with Love
How Green Was My Valley
Dances with Wolves
A Place in the Sun
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner
Giant
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Forrest Gump
Saving Private Ryan
Stalag 17
The Shining
Malcolm X
Planet of the Apes (1968)
Braveheart
Reservoir Dogs
Gandhi
Brazil
Full Metal Jacket
Mean Streets
The Jazz Singer
Seven Beauties
Tootsie
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Terminator 2: Judgement Day
Terminator
Toy Story
The Little Mermaid
The Nightmare Before Christmas
Blade Runner
Last Tango in Paris
Blazing Saddles
Young Frankenstein
Peeping Tom
The Leopard
L'Avventura
Last Years at Marienbad
The 400 Blows
The Big Sleep
Hamlet
Pinocchio
Rebecca
Airplane
The Producers
Duck Soup
A Night at the Opera
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
The Pianist
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Rings
pave
- Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 16:47:10 (EST)
Pave,
Add the movies I mentioned.
The Movie Critic (Titus Dante)
- Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 14:50:38 (EST)
Why are "American History X", "Fight Club", "Requiem For A
Dream", "Dead Poet's Society", "Blow", "Scarface", "12 Angry
Men", "American Beauty", "Donnie Darko", "Eternal Sunshine of the
Spotless Mind", "Escape From Alcatraz", "Forrest
Gump", "Memento", "Se7en", "Snatch", "Spartacus", "Terminator", "Termi
nator 2: Judgement Day", "Twelve Monkeys", and "The Usual Suspects"
not on the list? Does that mean "Titanic", "E.T. the Extra-
Terrestrial", "Raiders of the Lost Ark", "Rocky", "The Sound of
Music", and "Wizard of Oz" are better movies? Yeah, OK. Also, why
arn't "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", "The Shawshank
Redemption", "Easy Rider", and "The Exorcist" on the actual
list?
The Movie Critic (Titus Dante)
- Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 14:45:42 (EST)
guy,
sorry i didnt respond. i was busy trying to sort out the mess with
the person posting under my name. i apologize.
anyway, no i had not heard of Death in Venice until you mentioned it.
i did go and look it up. i will try to find it and watch it soon.
pave
- Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 13:37:46 (EST)
Pave Man, do you no or you don't know "Death in Venice"?
Why can't people respond?
Guy
- Monday, March 28, 2005 at 21:20:15 (EST)
Okay, here's the list of my top movies, (no particular #, like top 10
or 50 or 100 or anything like that) (The top 15 are in order, and
then it is not necessarily in order after that.)
BEST MOVIES EVER
1. Fight Club
2. American Beauty
3. Dead Poet's Society
4. American History X
5. Equilibrium
6. Requiem For A Dream
7. I Am Sam
8. 10 Things I Hate About You
9. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
10. The Princess Bride
11. The Green Mile
12. The Birdcage
13. Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory
14. Ferris Bueller's Day Off
15. Edward Scissorhands
16. The Phantom Of The Opera
17. Big Fish
18. Finding Neverland
19. Dogma
20. Benny And Joon
21. Patch Adams
22. Napoleon Dynamite
23. Pirates Of The Carribean
24. Blow
25. Gone In 60 Seconds
26. What's Eating Gilbert Grape
27. The 9th Gate
28. Gangs Of New York
29. John Q
30. Moulin Rouge
31. About Schidt
32. Lethal Weapon
32. Ice Age
33. The Incredibles
34. The Crucible
35. O Brother, Where Art Thou?
36. Brubaker
37. 1776
38. Heat
39. Antwone Fisher
40. Braveheart
41. Nightmare Before Christmas
42. Sleepy Hallow
43. A Night's Tale
44. Bowling For Columbine
There thay are. The best movies ever, especially those first
fifteen.
Eric Nelson
Lakewood, Colorado USA - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 00:49:04 (EST)
Whats so great about One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
bking
- Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 19:46:14 (EST)
Shawshank Redemption Shawshank Redemption Shawshank Redemption
Shawshank Redemption Shawshank Redemption Shawshank Redemption
Andy Valentine
- Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 03:29:26 (EST)
Your failure to include Werner Herzog is very appauling. Platoon is a
better movie than Stroszek, is it? Laughable!
Potemkin is also a breakthrough movie that deserves to be in the top ten.
Jane
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 20:38:08 (EST)
pete,
thanks for being cool about it. usually when something like this
happens, the person doesnt believe me when i say it isnt me.
hopefully my notice i just posted will keep this misunderstand from
happening again.
pave
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 18:58:36 (EST)
**** IMPORTANT NOTICE *****
there is someone posting under my name on my lists. just ignore that
person.
pave
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 18:52:45 (EST)
I figured that was the case. Yeah, I got a reply from Lew. He
didn't like my revision and so I got rejected. :(
Still, the recommendation was nice of you. I posted my revision on
the directors page if you're interested. You'll have to ignore my
response to "Pave", whom I thought to be you of course.
Pete
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 18:51:20 (EST)
*** IMPORTANT ***
pete,
i havent been on here in a few days. dont worry about that guy. this
thing has happened before. and its not the last time probably. he
shows up every once in a while and starts stuff. i didnt say any of
this. did you get a reply from lew? i dont know when i will be back.
my computer is down and i only get the chance to check my pages once
every couple of days. if this kind of thing keeps happening, just
ignore it. it isnt me.
pave
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 18:43:48 (EST)
Actually, I'm not sure I care, and I can't say for certain whom I'm
even talking to. Either way, I won't have much use for the movie
pages anymore.
Pete
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 16:17:39 (EST)
???
You told me to e-mail Lew! What are you talking about?
Pete
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 14:01:33 (EST)
Pave,
I had mention the movie "Death in Venice" (Visconti), I personally think it's
a masterpiece of beauty. I'm a professional musician and I cannot recall
any other movie with such effective music, (Mahler's symphony #5), the
combination of the scenes and music cannot be suited any better, I hate
watching the end because I always cry!
Guy
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 13:36:05 (EST)
Pave's gay. Lay off Pete. He's the only one on the Classical page
that doesn't suck.
Dude
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 13:08:06 (EST)
You're going behind my back to Lew, and I don't appreciate that...
Someone has been posting under my name- I never told you that you
could go to Lew with this... Don't ever post here again...
Pave
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 12:55:13 (EST)
Uh... am I missing something? What have I said?
Pete
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 12:00:44 (EST)
Pete, I have had just about as much shit as I can take from you... If
you call me out on here ever again, I will hunt you down and kick your
ass...
Pave
- Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 08:46:53 (EST)
Planet of the Apes (1968)deserves a place on this list. Put Return
of the King in the Honorable Mentions and put Apes in its place.
Le Master
- Friday, March 25, 2005 at 14:17:02 (EST)
Interresting list, though the following deserve at least a (more)
honorable ranking:
Dersu Uzala (Kurosawa)
La meglio gioventu (Giordana)
Clockwork orange (Kubrick)
Chronique des années de braise (Lakhdar-Hamina)
La dentellière (Goretta)
Kill Bill 1&;2 (Tarantino)
Apocalypse now (Coppola)
Novecento (Bertolucci)
Patrick Vyncke
Belgium - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 05:45:42 (EST)
Oooooh, scarface in your top 10? not the choice i'd make but oh well.
My top ten goes as follows
1. The Godfather
2. The Godfather Part II
3. Goodfellas
4. Raging Bull
5. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
6. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
7. Chinatown
8. Schindler's List
9. Mystic River
10. Dog Day Afternoon
Enzio
- Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 21:06:43 (EST)
I think that "Guess Who's coming To Dinner" should be on the list. it
was an amazing list
Grant
- Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 20:14:31 (EST)
Just saw clockwork orange. What do you all think about it. I thought
it was pretty amazing, but I'm not sure about all the metaphors that
Kubrick is alluding to,
David Lynch
- Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 18:57:56 (EST)
I think it is impossible to have one greatest movie of all- time. I
think you can catgorize the movies and then come out with 6 or 7
movies that share the greatest of all-time title, as seen below.
GREATEST TECHNICAL MOVIE- CITIZEN KANE
GREATEST STORYTELLING MOVIE- GONE WITH THE WIND
MOST ENTERTAINING MOVIE- CASABLANCA
BEST MAINSTREAM MOVIE- THE GODFATHER
FUNNIEST MOVIE- CITY LIGHTS
BEST FOREIGN MOVIE- M
MOST COPIED MOVIE- TIE- PSYCHO OR 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY
Bob J.
- Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 16:38:46 (EST)
this is my top ten:
1.On the Waterfront
2.Usual Suspects
3.Citizen Kane
4.Scarface
5.Godfather
6.Apocalypse Now
7.Raging Bull
8.Platoon
9.Full Metal Jacket
10.Psycho
These are all easy five star movies and enjoyable u wouldnt fall
asleep on them
noel lozano
- Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 13:40:43 (EST)
My Top Ten:
1. Gone With the Wind
2. Casablanca
3. Citizen Kane
4. Lawrence of Arabia
5. Ben-Hur
6. The Godfather
7. Bridge on the River Kwai
8. Schindler's List
9. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
10. All About Eve
Bob
- Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 10:36:09 (EST)
Sean I COMPLETELY AGREE
Elzz
- Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 10:10:13 (EST)
Troubled Aspirationist,
You are not off base. You did forget to mention that Lang was one of
Hitchcocks teachers and mentor. I dont know if you meant to imply that
Welles was also involved in the chase scene rip-off but The Third Man
was directed by Carol Reed. Wells took a lot of heat with critics for
claiming writing credit on that film when actually he had very little
involvement.
Lang was also one of the strongest importers of German Expressionism
into American cinema - the result - Film Noir!
For even more comparisons check out:
Woman In The Window
Scarlet Street
The Big Heat
Fury
However, do not diminish Welles for his pomposity.
John
- Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 16:59:10 (EST)
What's going on here? I was happy as a peanut, always thinking 'Oh,
yes, Citizen Kane is fantastic! It set the scene for 50% of modern
cinema, along with Alfred Hitchcock and Jean-Luc Godard! Every shot
in that film is ground breaking...' That's what I thought, you see,
until I bought a certain Fritz Lang classic entitled 'M', and every
thought of Citizen Kane was subsequently DESTROYED. How can people
say that Citizen Kane was the FIRST TO DO SUCH AND SUCH!! BEST FILM
EVER IN TECHNICALITIES!! when, TEN YEARS earlier this aforementioned
German film set the BASIS for Welles' most famous shots?
IN Citizen Kane, I recall, the camera decides to dolly through a neon
sign: in M, I recall, the camera decides to dolly all the way round a
room - introducing characters - before appearing on the roof and
making its way through a glass window - which, by the way, was
EXACTLY the same method Orson Welles used... What the hell's going
on?? Is someone gonna tell me I'm wrong? Or am I right!? Go and watch
M, bearing in mind Citizen Kane, and you'll see what I mean.
Why the poor German cineaste hasn't had more praise I do not know,
all I can say is he appears to have shattered every premise on
filmmaking I've had (a funny thing, Jean-Luc has done so recently,
too). But M... IN 1931! THIRTY ONE!! There are even elements that
undoubtedly The Third Man stole for the unforgetable sewer-chase...
Sixty-Four does NOT do justice to what this film did to cinema.
Troubled Aspirationist
- Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 12:22:38 (EST)
For Pure Entertainment value here is my top 20 list
1)Shawshank Redemption
2)The Godfather Trilogy
3)LOTR Trilogy
4)On the Waterfront
5)Excalibur
6)Bridge on the River Kwai
7)The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
8)Treasure of Sierra Madre
9)Deerhunter
10)One Flew over the Cuckoos nest
11)The Deerhunter
12)Ben Hur
13)The Party
14)Raiders of the lost Ark
15)Platoon
16)Rocky
17)the Usual Suspects
18)Goodfellas
19)The Sting
20)Jaws
Watching these Flics is Time well wasted
Steve the Canuck
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 21:45:23 (EST)
CLARKE GABLE VIVIEN LEIGH
GONE WITH THE WIND!!!!!!!!!!!! NUMBER 1
Greatest Movie, Great Cast, Great Script
It is the standard in the film industry and has never been surpased
by any film. It deserves the top slot.
Sean
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 18:47:12 (EST)
Alright, I e-mailed Lew.
Man, this talk of me having a "history" makes me feel like an ex-con
applying for a job. Honestly, I don't HAVE a history. I encourage
anyone to flip through the pages of the classical forum. A lot of
heated debates, some of which I was directly involved in, but this is
both inevitable and, in a way, healthy, so long as it doesn't go over
the mark. As a moderator, I would avoid becoming engaged in the
discussion, only looking for ways to improve the page and the list.
BTW, I've already come up with my revised list. Now I just need to
tinker with it until Lew's decision. If, for whatever reason he
should turn me down, maybe I'll just give you the list to look at.
Pete
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 17:04:58 (EST)
pete,
i would say to email lew about the directors page. all i can do is
make a recomendation. if you have had a history on the site, lew's
desicion may reflect that. i think you would be a good editor for the
directors page. but it has to be cleared with lew first. so email him
using the link at the bottom of the main page (i think its there) and
ask him about it.
pave
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 16:25:07 (EST)
Pete,
The people I respect on that page will understand what I meant, and
they'll take it in the context of everything I contributed.
I'll say it again: best of luck. I'm out.
Posthumous Imposterus
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 15:43:40 (EST)
And yes, I'll admit things are getting VERY repetitive around there.
It's because of the newer posters.
Pete
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 15:27:08 (EST)
A good read, Imposterus. And I'm very glad to have your support for
the film page. But there are a few things in your post which I can't
let go without a response.
1. I still believe you're exaggerating the effects of the "aesthetic"
debate. Everyone applies their own criteria in
assessing "greatness," regardless of my argument for analyzing purely
the aesthetics (which has nothing to do with subjectivity).
2. The Bully still posts occasionally, and Nick visits more than
ever. I think Shaddy is the only poster from that "era" that we've
lost, but that was months after the "aesthetic" debate.
3. I think most of the regulars on the classical page would object to
your dismissal of their arguments as "silly" and repetitive, though
it's true that many of us have less experience under our belt than
you do.
But I'm glad we're parting (if that is the case, as it seems to be)
under much friendlier terms. My best of wishes to you as well.
Pete
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 15:26:22 (EST)
Pete,
It's true we've had our problems, but I really have no desire to post
on the classical pages again. You can post without any fear that I'll
return. I've been asked by at least three people to please return,
but how many more times can we argue about Tchaik vs Brahms? Chopin?
Whether Mozart is better than Beethoven? Not interesting. You,on the
other hand, have what seems (at least to a novice like me) to have a
deep grasp of film.
Of course, I do tend to think of you as having been the main reason
the conversation got dull for me on the classical page. You tried to
make it a purely subjective, "aesthetic" issue, and didn't want
history or technical information of any sort even discussed. Before
this, there were quite a few contributors who engaged in really
interesting conversation, of musical depth. None of the people I'm
thinking of still posts there (and it wasn't just me and the Bully).
I think the record will bear this out. But I doubt you'd run a film
page the same way: anyone who KNOWS a subject in depth would never be
satisfied with such a treatement. So I wish you, wholeheartedly, the
best of luck.
As for the Catholic thing, believe me, that hasn't been on my mind.
In fact, it hasn't been on my mind since late last summer. Your
apology from today (the first real one I think you have ever offered
to me) is welcome, of course, but you assumed incorrectly what my
principal qualm was. If you go back in the record you'll find that I
was quick to let that go: it was your "subjectivizing" of the page
that I think ruined the discussion. Instead of sharing information it
became a place where the ignorant could shout down those who knew
something. (When it takes a week to define "orchestration" because
the egos are too big to accept a standard musical term, it's time for
me to leave). The result is, so far, that no progress is ever really
made: you guys argue the same silly points out month after month,
without ever getting into depth.
And having said all of this, I realize that my musical education is
too much for a page like that. I'm qualified to teach college on the
subject. What I decided in Decemeber was that, instead of having
egomaniacal amateurs shout me down online, I'll make sure I'm being
paid for it. The frustration of dealing with know-it-all freshmen is
real, but at least it provides a salary.
But seriously, I'm glad we had this run in today. I was appalled when
I firt thought of you running any page, but now, I think it would
probably be good. You have an innate desire to be in charge of these
lists, you are vigilant in posting and discussion, and ost
importantly, you seem to have a deep knowledge of the subject matter
at hand. Very best of luck, Pete, honestly.
Posthumous Imposterus
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 15:16:25 (EST)
LEW & PAVE,
After considertion:
For what it's worth, I think really informed moderators should be the
order of the day. This is the only way to ensure that perpetually
looping ignorant comments don't become the rule. If this isn't the
case, the lists descend into mere subjectivity and majority vote,
which never produces anything like an accurate list (as there isn't a
broad enough sample of people who post here to balance out the
ignorant opinions).
Most of the lists I have posted on are now either so unresponsive or
repetative that I'll probably stop accessing this site altogether (I
stopped posting on the classical pages months ago, and although it
because of the generally vicious attitude of many of the posters---
you'll notice that many many intelligent posters from last year
haven't appeared there in a LONG time-- one reason I haven't returned
is that they continue to argue the same points over and over again---
points we explored in greater depth 9 months ago). And on other
lists, one can mount a substantial and learned argument, citing the
page criteria, etc, and not receive any response whatsoever. It
becomes a waste of time.
So maybe Pete would be good for the job. You can take this as an
endorsent for him if you want. I pretty much don't care anymore, but
would like to see a really interesting forum with a moderator who
knows his subject matter. Maybe Guy can turn the classical pages
around (he's intelligent enough musically, and his upgrades to the
site have been very interesting), and maybe Pete would be a boon to
the film pages.
Posthumous Imposterus
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 14:39:33 (EST)
Imposterus:
We've had a bad history, and neither of us feels that we're
responsible for it. At this point, we have two choices: (1) continue
being resentful, or (2) strike a truce.
Throughout my classical music posting history, I'm apologetic about
very little of my behavior. I wrote out a couple of profuse
apologies, but I did this mainly to make everyone get along again. I
believe a little aggression is inevitable on such forums, and I'm
hardly the only one over there who has engaged in this. In
comparison to the other forums, our scuffles about such things as
Bach's "St. Matthew's Passion" and the voting activity were pretty
harmless.
One thing I am apologetic about was posting as "Him+" at the
beginning of my time there. It's true, I have no respect for
organized religion, and was openly poking fun at it. But I think
it's worth noting that...
1. I used the same moniker on a movie forum beforehand, and the
posters found it highly amusing; no one was offended.
2. I didn't know you were a Catholic when I began posting.
So such humor wasn't acceptable on a classical site, especially where
at least one of the regulars was religious (though obviously
unbeknownst to me at the time). You continue to bring this up every
time you try to persuade people to reevaluate me, so I assume this is
your principle qualm. And again, I apologize for that.
I almost always find your posts interesting, and you're clearly the
most literate writer the page ever had. Maybe you and I will never
be on friendly terms, though I'm certainly willing to try, and I
encourage you to continue posting on the classical site, since you
clearly want to, and many could benefit from your store of knowledge
on the subject.
But if you can't agree to a truce, than at least consider this: I'm
more knowledgeable than you about movies; you're more knowledgeable
than me about classical music. If I'm too busy moderating
my "Directors" page, I'll certainly have less time for the classical
page.
Pete
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 14:26:50 (EST)
I know that it's all just opinion, but when "Shawshank" doesn't make
the top 100, these lists lose all credibility.
Corey
New Orleans, LA USA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 14:23:36 (EST)
Yes, I've been posting on the classical site for a long time. Yes, I
used those monikers when I first started about a year ago, and I did
so in good humor. Imposterus and I have had a few aggressive
scuffles in the past, which is why he is continually picking fights
with me on this site and portraying me as a demon from hell. I think
if you ask the regulars on the classical site, they'll agree that
I've been an agreeable and helpful contributor. If I were a
moderator, I would not engage in scuffles with the posters, only see
to it that everything is proceeding smoothly and take advice as to
the improvement of the list.
Pete
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 13:52:51 (EST)
LEW & PAVE:
Before making Pete a moderator on a page here, I suggest you check
out his contributions to "fixing" the classical pages, starting with
last August or so, when he signed as "+ Him" "the Devil Himself"
and "Ozzie." I'm not saying he wouldn't do a great job. His knowledge
of cinema seems very impressive indeed (it's far greater than mine).
But he has a long record of posting on the classical sites, which
might help you make up your minds.
Pete,
Before you lay into me for being "out to get you" or something like
that, know that whatever you say, I won't respond. I'm not interested
in another skirmish with you, but I think people ought to know how
you've behaved in the past before you start running a list. If Lew
thinks it's a good idea, fine. It's his site.
Posthumous Imposterus
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 13:33:59 (EST)
Eric put that directors list together? Well, I've helped him fix his
classical lists, so I don't think he'll mind too much if I do a
COMPLETE revision of that list.
Meanwhile, I'll quit harassing you about the above list and put my
efforts into the other one, should Lew accept me as the new moderator
(does he have my e-mail address? Am I supposed to send him a
message?). If you need help coming up with major foreign landmarks
for your list here, I could offer some titles.
Pete
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 11:24:24 (EST)
pete,
you are right that my knowledge is very american film based. ive been
trying to get better recognition for foreign films but it still is
very little. so i could definitly use help with that. maybe i should
make this an american films only list like it was originally and let
someone else make one with a mixture of foreign films and american
films. but i dont know. i recommended you to lew for the directors
list but it is ultimately up to him to make the desicion. so we will
see. i trust your judgement. im an actor, and i dont know a thing
about directing. eric made that list. i took over it because he didnt
have time and i havent even did a revision yet. i mainly just read
the comments and make sure everything is in order. so anybody is
better suited for that list than i am.
pave
- Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 10:47:08 (EST)
Error in my last post... first paragraph should read: "populist bias
will drive away many knowledgeable and insightful cineasts."
Removed the word "more," as I realize that it could easily be
misinterpreted as a nasty bit of condescending.
Pete
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 22:03:11 (EST)
Pave:
It wasn't really fair of me to rip on you over at the classical page
(I'm very surprised you even saw it, to tell you the truth), and I
apologize for that, and for the aggressive attitude I've exhibited
here thus far. I'm just very frustrated with the movie lists on this
site, and I think their populist bias will drive away many more
knowledgeable and insightful cineasts.
No, I have no reason to believe you're an idiot; just that you
haven't explored film history as thoroughly as I might have hoped.
Once one explores the respective oeuvres of Renoir, Ozu, Mizoguchi,
Rossellini, Lang, Bresson, Dreyer, Bunuel, etc, observing a list of
the "Greatest" like the one above gives one the sense that the
creator lives in a very small cinematic universe, where there are
only a couple hundred great movies and a majority of them are
American blockbusters and Oscar winners. And (I'm trying to put this
in as friendly a way as I can) it looks a bit silly.
But maybe people with such movie tastes need to have a site of their
own as well. I can imagine how most of these posters would react if
I revised the list as I saw fit. I would like to help out with the
directors list, but only if you're willing to put some degree of
trust in my judgment. If any of my suggestions didn't make sense, we
could do a little online research to see if I was justified or not.
Pete
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 22:00:39 (EST)
pete,
nice of you to use my name rather than just "that imbecile who runs
the movie lists". i think we got off on a bad start back about a month
ago. how about we start over? i know you think im a complete idiot but
maybe we could try getting past first impressions and get to know
where the other one is coming from. back then, when we were in the
arguement or artistic value vs popularity and historical significance,
i never meant to say one was more important than the other. i think
you thought i meant that popularity was the major thing. i was simply
pointing out the importance of historical significance in a "greatest"
list. i wasnt trying to say artistic value was not important. anyway,
i still dont see many movies on this list that could be considered not
great movies. there are a few i know (fargo, shawshank, lotr, titanic)
may seem odd to many people, but the rest are unquestionably
deserving. pretty much every film on this list won several awards,
general are ranked as 5 star movies, topped most critics top 10 of the
year lists when they were released, are highly successful with critics
and audiences, and are memorable and entertaining to almost everyone.
the order is off though. vertigo at 64 is a major mistake on my part.
that is the standout. and there are several other ordering mistakes as
well. these lists are all a work in progress. but do you not think
this list is a good starting point at all?
anyway, i hope you stick around this time. your knowledge of the
subject is obviously high and your passion for movies and the art of
filmmaking is a trait i admire. i hope this time, we can get along a
little better. and maybe we can both teach each other some things and
we can make this list better than it is now.
pave
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 21:09:27 (EST)
Good sequels? Austin powers 2 and 3 were hilarious...but i dunno if
that counts
Chris
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 19:10:21 (EST)
Giuseppe, Guy and... is that the Imposterus?
You know, those classical lists look like VERITABLE MASTERPIECES in
comparison to the thing above.
HEY PAVE: I know you don't want me to help revise this list, but how
about the "Greatest Directors" list? It needs it badly.
Pete
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 18:01:45 (EST)
Know what would be a good category? 100 greatest tear jerkers
Chris
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 17:44:04 (EST)
yo Pave, BG!
this list has a lot o'great movies on it, but ohhhhhhhh, deep down
inside of Nat there is boiling need to spread his cinematic love to
the multitudes! (can you feel the electro-groovious-excitement
starting to fritz?)
1) this page is a MAJOR diss to the genius of SPIKE LEE. do the right
thing, Pave, and put "Do the Right Thing" onna list!
2) yo, you GOTTA put some Kenneth Branagh up there. his "Much Ado
about Nothing" is maybe the best Shakespeare film ever made.
His "Henry V" should be up there too, and maybe even his "Hamlet."
yo Peter the Great!
as a NON-italian American i have tears rolling down my cheeks too:
that DO THE RIGHT THING ain't onna list! (actually this has nothing
to do with your comment.... just shoutin out to you). and anyhow the
Italian-American element in Do the Right Thing is essential!! join me
in my righteous crusade to give Spike Lee his due!! not only are his
ovies great, he's responsible for Reggie Miller's defining moment!
give it up for th greatest of all Knick fans, y'all! (gotta run...
library security just spotted me...)
Nat "pickin up the whoopin stick"Whilk
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 16:57:29 (EST)
Guy,
It looks like Pete inspired you to visit the movies section as well!
Giuseppe
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 14:49:33 (EST)
Death in Venice (Mort a Venise) is a masterpiece, brilliant adaptation of
Mahler's 5th symphony. I can't believe it's not there!!!
Guy
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 13:55:47 (EST)
add these..
.stand by me
.gladiator
.trainspotting
.american history x
.once upon a time in america
.kill bill
joe
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 13:48:00 (EST)
Why is La Dolce Vita number 17 behind Seven Samurai which is number
5, when La Dolce Vita is ranked the number 1 foreign film?
Thanks
Giuseppe
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 13:30:54 (EST)
Amadeus all the way down there? It won 8 academy awards for a reason.
Thanks
Giuseppe
- Monday, March 21, 2005 at 13:28:34 (EST)
Move One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest up to the 10th spot :)
Mike S
- Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 22:28:54 (EST)
Raging Bull will never be remembered as a greater movie than Lawrence
of Arabia
Sean
- Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 12:06:29 (EST)
I think Pulp Fiction deserves to be ahead by at least 10 or 15 spots.
That is an amazing movie...and I think Tarintino is a genius. Its a
deadly movie
Rauf
Muscat, Oman - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 06:57:26 (EST)
am i the only person that thinks that shawshank should stay at
honorable mention, i mean i loved it but top 100 movies of all time.
honorable mention is a great achievment
ryan
- Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 00:50:31 (EST)
Where is GlenGary GlenRoss and 12 Angry Men, and if they are on the
list, why are they not in the top twenty?
Michael
- Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 23:06:50 (EST)
Oh yeah, and Jay Sherman is a jackass, because he has no taste, and
Minority Report should be on the list somewhere, even an honorable mention.
Michael
- Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 22:58:23 (EST)
How is it possible that The Return of The King is number 94, and
Shawshank Redemption is only a fucking Honorable mention!?!?!
Michael
- Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 22:55:43 (EST)
that was my own opinion... man you got me pegged
Jay Sherman
- Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 17:39:23 (EST)
*Lambs*
Bain
Scotland UK - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 16:45:30 (EST)
Yea, real good call on replacing Silence of the Labs with Snow
White. Not. Don't be such a dick and act like you're superior to
everyone just because you spend all your time watching movies and
playing on the internet. 9/10 posts on this page belong to you.
Don't be such a dickhead. You sounded like the biggest fag when you
said "learn what a good movie is." You suck, man. State your own
opinion, don't bash everyone elses. Let's see if you take offense to
what I said about your opinion.
Bain O'Brien
Scotland UK - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 16:44:43 (EST)
Should be taken off...
Doctor Zhivago (this movie shouldn't even be on the hon. mention list)
The Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King
Wuthering Heights
The Manchurian Candidate (along with zhivago, two of the worst movies on the
list, and yes I'm talking about the 1962 version)
Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid
The Silence Of The Lambs
Rocky
The Sound Of Music
and replaced with...
Stagecoach
Touch Of Evil
Little Caesar
Shane
Fantasia
Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs
White Heat
From Here To Eternity
10 Honorable Mentions...
The Adventures Of Robin Hood
Rio Bravo
The Producers
Scarface (1932)
The Public Enemy
Eraserhead
The Big Sleep
Five Easy Pieces
Young Frankenstein
The Wild Bunch
Jay Sherman
- Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 15:39:01 (EST)
will people stop suggesting just ok movies from the last couple of
years and go learn what a good moovie even is before posting.
Jay
- Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 15:20:48 (EST)
where is million dollar baby
mike b
- Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 14:21:30 (EST)
Bowling For Columbine could get an honorable mention
someone
- Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 01:44:41 (EST)
what about THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST it is a trump in every category
listed, anyone who has seen it in the theatre can attest to the fact
that numerous people in every showing would cry because of how
powerful it struck them
someone
- Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 01:32:28 (EST)
OMG. O MY GOD! The Godfather at 1!!!!!! I think tears just rolled down
my face! As an Italian American who worships the Godfather on the
altar, it's awesome to see it getting the respect it deserves, and pt.
2 as well! I've never seen a more accurate list on Godfather terms.
Thank YOU pave!
Peter the great
- Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 00:36:35 (EST)
this is crap Citizen cane should be higher than Godfather citizen
cane's ending was original and awesome
noel
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 22:56:12 (EST)
And 12 Monkeys is another one that is under-rated.
Jonathan
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 22:35:59 (EST)
Ooooo, good call on Big Fish there Erik. I absolutely loved that
film. One of the, if not the, greatest movies of 2003 in my opinion.
Jonathan
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 22:32:18 (EST)
there should be a list for best tv shows which would include:
Happy Days
Friends
Seinfeld
Simpsons
Family Guy
The O.C> maybe
Survivor
jason
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 21:56:35 (EST)
ferris bulers day off!
Willy wonka is good too
1.It's A wonderfull life
2.LOTR 3
3.Ferris Beuler's Day off
4.Catch Me is you can
5.The Last Casino(independent film)
6.Willy Wonka's Choclolate Factory
7.Million Dollar BAby
8.Chicago
9.Austin Powers in Goldmember
10.WAynes World
john
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 21:55:20 (EST)
Oh and forgot Spider-Man 2!
Erik
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 21:53:27 (EST)
Here's a few more movies I would mention.
1. Seven
2. Home Alone
3. Big Fish
4. Passion of the Christ
5. The Pianist
6. Forest Gump
7. Gladiator
8. Jurassic Park
9. The Goonies
10. Collaterol
11. The Patriot
Erik
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 20:47:32 (EST)
The Lord of the Rings Return of the King should be within the top 25
at least on this list, it's by far one of the greatest epic films
ever put together, terrific story line and true to the books, great
acting, and awesome visual effects. Return of the King was the end of
the trilogy and the best one. What I love about these movies is
unlike most movies made within the last twenty years, this one had no
political statement, it was just an epic film that was extremely
entertaining. It had drama, humor, action, everything a movie should
have. And the acting was superb, Sean Astin, Ian Holms, Viggo
Mortenson, Sean Bean, John Rhys Davies. Peter Jackson brought
Tolkien's compelling story to life and LOTR is an instant classic,
and definately one of the best movies I have ever seen!
Erik
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 20:28:39 (EST)
The Lord of the Rings is for flaming homosexual!!! Its just another
fantasy movie like Star Wars that gay nerds like chat about. People
who dress up like characters from these movies should be shot. Keep
that crap away from this list!!!
Roy Munson
Ocelot, Iowa USA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 17:22:11 (EST)
The Lord Of The Rings movies were good (the last one was the best IMHO),
but I wasn't a huge fan of them to tell you the truth. I've said it before and i'll say
it again, they're not as much epic as they are long and the first two don't have
sufficient endings. HOWEVER, it is not often that a movie comes out and it is an
instant classic, and the 'Rings' trilogy was by no means an instant classic,
despite what legions of RPG playing fanatics say. Most movies become classic
by standing the test of time, look at a movie like Touch of Evil, its taken 50
years for that movie to come into its own and now its widely considered one of
the top50 movies of all time. Who's to say that LOTR won't do the same. To me
though, more than anything, LOTR was more a testament to the advancement
of special effects, sound, costume and production design. The movie is visually
beautiful and thats basically it. There is no outstanding performances with
possibly the exception of Sean Astin (and even thats a major reach), the
dialogue isn't anything special and the directing is above average, but
overrated (the special effects in this movie would make anything look better
than it actually is). Don't get me wrong, Peter Jackson deserved any award he
got with the making these movies for the ambitious and seemingly painstaking
way he put them together (Directing, Producing, Screenwriting). But from a
directing standpoint, nothing rings any bells. But the point of this rant is to say
that while the 'Rings' movies aren't certified classics YET, as time goes by they
will most likely climb the latter. As of now though, if I had to make a top 150
movies list, Return Of The King would easily crack it and maybe even enter the
100.
Jay Sherman
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 16:24:09 (EST)
i know tons of epople are saying this and it probably gets old but
seriously: LORD OF THE RINGS!!!!!!!!!!!! it's classic and not just a
pop culture hit. ity has meaning to a lot of epople, especially as
piring writers/filmakerssuch as myself and fans of the book
the piper
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 14:50:31 (EST)
How about Ghost Dog: Way of the samurai
Nobody
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 11:14:42 (EST)
Here is my list of recent movies that I think will recieve greater
appreciation with time:
-American History X
-Bottle Rocket
-The Big Lebowski
-Dark City
-Ravenous
-Rounders
-Billy Elliot
-Rushmore
Jonny
UK - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 02:36:51 (EST)
Jay,
Howbout:
True Romance
Memento
Lola Rennt
Three of my favorite Guilty Pleasures
John
- Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 19:25:42 (EST)
While I'm on the subject, does anyone think there is any movies in the last 15
years that have been overlooked and will age well, and become more
appreciated as time goes by maybe?
Jay Sherman
- Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 17:47:53 (EST)
You know Rick, I think you're on to something. Lebowski is one of my favorite
movies, and I think it is vastly underrated. I'm not so sure its one of the 100
greatest movies of all time or even 200, but, it could be a movie that is more
appreciated as the years go by then it was when it was released, something
like a Touch Of Evil or The Searchers.
Jay Sherman
- Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 17:44:02 (EST)
the shawshank redemption should be way higher. it is number 2 on imdb
barry
wall, nj usa - Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 17:42:52 (EST)
The dude says you can't have Fargo up there without The Big Lebowski. That movie
was awesomely hilarious.
Rick
- Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 23:29:34 (EST)
I forgot to mention about Minority Report, probably an honorable
mention or top hundred place should be given to it
Michael
- Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 20:44:21 (EST)
Neel has got a point, Shawshank Redemption is top hundred. How about
the the first Matrix movie?!?!?!?!?!
Michael
- Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 20:43:08 (EST)
what a fuin piece of shit list.
fuck
- Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 18:50:02 (EST)
also, the shawshank redemption only an honourable mention?!
Neel
- Monday, March 14, 2005 at 22:37:33 (EST)
pulp fiction should be moved up
Neel
- Monday, March 14, 2005 at 22:36:38 (EST)
I'm glad zat ze Scarface iz not on 'ere. It iz most boring and
zucky. I think zat ze Amadeus should be higher. How can Pulp
Fiction surpass Amadeus?
John Jacques
France - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 17:53:02 (EST)
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
gump sucks
- Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 19:21:13 (EST)
Where the FUCK is forrest gump?
Ryan
San Francisco, CA USA - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 18:19:20 (EST)
HOW CAN THEY RATE THE RETURN OF THE KING SO LOW!?!?!?!?!?
HOW!!!!!!!!! THIS IS MOST UNJUST!!!!!!!!
Ashley Labaki
- Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 16:11:00 (EST)
God
How is Scarface overated when it is not on this list Dumbass!
Noel
- Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 14:57:02 (EST)
Noel Lozano - Scarface sucks. It's overrated and shit.
Anyways, just watched Memento, GREAT film! Possibly one of the best,
trade it with LOTR: ROTK on the list. Memento is FAR superior in
everyway except special effects!
God
- Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 22:57:50 (EST)
oh yeah I also forgot to say one thing screw foreign films!
Noel
- Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 18:08:20 (EST)
I'd just like to get one thing straight "Scarface" is easily one of
the top ten best movies of all time I mean the ending alone is
classic and it appears that it is not even on the honorable mentions
list let alone on the top 100 Scarface is better than at least 75% of
the movies on this list please someone explain to me why its not on
here
Noel Lozano
Upland , CA USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 18:04:17 (EST)
Jay,
Nice choices. I would go Searchers No.1 and switch Wild Bunch with
Once Upon A Time I. The West. IMHO
John
- Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 17:58:41 (EST)
How about the 100 best westerns? Or at least top 50? I'll start you off, here are
some (in no specific order)...
Stagecoach
Unforgiven
The Searchers
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
The Wild Bunch
Once Upon A Time In The West
Shane
Destry Rides Again
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Cimarron
Ride The High Country
The Big Country
How The West Was Won
Red River
High Noon
Vera Cruz
My Darling Clementine
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
The Great K&;A Train Robbery
True Grit
Cat Ballou
Blazing Saddles
The Shootist
Fistful Of Dollars
For A Few Dollars More
Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid
Dances With Wolves
Thats 28 there, heres my top 10...
1. Stagecoach - the most influential western of all time is a text book and
features the star-making performance of the most prolific actor in the history of
the western
2. The Searchers - honestly, it was hard not putting this at no. 1, technically
perfect, insightful, emotionally stirring, entertaining, AND it features probably
John Waynes best performance. May be the best Western of all time because it
lies somewhere between revisionist and classical western.
3. Unforgiven - Eastwood's opus, brings out the cruel reality of the old west, the
most influential western since the Searchers, one of the most insightful movies
ever and one of my personal faves. The best revisionist western of all time.
4. The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly - this movie didn't revolutionize the
western, it revolutionized films in general. My only problem is that its overlong
and a bit preachy, but otherwise, perfect. Similar to the searchers in that it lies
somewhere between a revionist and classical.
5. High Noon - Gary Cooper's acting tour de force, makes for good watching.
Classic Story, great cast and a legendary director launches this into the top 5.
6. The Wild Bunch - Peckinpah's best, is an ultra-violent revionist western, in
my eyes second only to Unforgiven in that category
7. Shane - classic story of the stereotypical western hero, basically unforgiven
lite. Sends the same message but doesn't exibit the same brutal reality. Its
pretty much Unforgiven for kids, and it should be every youngster's first western
8. Rio Bravo - THE CLASSIC light-hearted western, you can't go wrong with the
Duke, Walter Brennan AND Deano. Fantastic directing as well, underrated
9. Once Upon A Time In The West - Leone's tribute to the classic western
deserves placement in the top 10 and merits a look
10. Red River - same for this one
Jay Sherman
- Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 17:40:54 (EST)
Noel lozano
The Usual Suspects is easily top 10 best neo-noir but not quite in the
100 greatest of all time. You should also notice that L.A.
Confidential is not here either. Both are great, 5 star films but not
thought well enough by critics and cinema experts to best the others
here. (except maybe the foriegn films but thats a different discussion)
John
- Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 10:43:57 (EST)
Yung Steez,
Forest Gump is a decent film. Top 100 of all time, true on some
lists. Not all lists are the same. But if you think Hanks acting is
the reason it should be here, nay. If that were the case Billy Bob
Thornton would easily best him with his characterization of Karl
Childers in Sling Blade. Or hbout Sean Penn in I Am Sam? Niether of
those films are here either - and rightfully so.
John
- Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 10:32:23 (EST)
I am surprised that Forrest Gump is not on the list. That was the
best acting EVER. Tom Hanks is a phenomenal actor and to not have
that movie on this list is an insult to his career. I am severly
disappointed, Unless i overlooked it somehow.
Yung Steez
Flint, MI USA - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 20:29:34 (EST)
fuck this shit "usual Suspects" should at least appear on this fuckin
list and for all you motherfuckers that haven't seen it then fuckin
go rent it
Noel lozano
Upland, CA USA - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 18:59:47 (EST)
Fuck Seven Samurai fuck all those forign movies ON THE
WATERFRONT needs to be higher than Seven Samurai
Andrew Sepulveda
Upland, CA USA - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 12:44:10 (EST)
John, I think you're on to something when you say that they underrate
comedies. Believe it or not a number of the movies on this list can be
considered comedies, of sorts... The Rules Of The Game, It's a wonderful life, la
dolce vita, dr. strangelove, singin in the rain, some like it hot, the graduate, all
about eve, 8 1/2, a clockwork orange, city lights, it happened one night, the
gold rush, the philadelphia story, modern times, annie hall, network, butch
cassidy an the sundance kid, duck soup, pulp fiction, the general, and fargo.
BUT in a lot of these movies the humour is either dated, overshadowed by
different elements of the movie, in foreign language so its just not as funny, or
too sophisticated for the common man. NOW if you mean what I think you
mean, you mean to say that comedies such as Young Frankenstein, Blazing
Saddles, Animal House, Planes Trains and Automobiles, Airplane!, and the
producers (to name a few), should get more consideration, and I agree.
Jay Sherman
- Friday, March 11, 2005 at 08:49:59 (EST)
Herzog,
Your right, Alien is the better film. But hey, the screen plays are
very different. The only real parallels you can draw are Riply (Good)
and Aliens (Evil), everyone else is fodder. But the cinematic concept
is Scotts, not Camerons, and a hell of a lot more depth and sympathy
for the characters is generated in Alien. I wanted to jump up on the
screen and beat the crap out Bill Paxton, and that was a fun feeling.
But when Tom Skeritt got his - I was really freaked he was top gun
(at the time).
god,
Everyone dies the same way in both movies: An alien grabs you and your
done for. Its the aliens that die differently (except the queen,
thats almost the same scene) Shootum up Bang Bang.
John
- Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 23:09:36 (EST)
These "Best Movies" lists always underrate comedies.
john
Pittsburgh, - Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 22:54:08 (EST)
God,
Still, you have to admit the John Hurt comment was cute.
flamingwesthollywoodqueen
- Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 22:32:25 (EST)
There not the same because they have the same characters I never said
that, their the same because they have the same basic story and unfold
the same exact way. Aliens is a cheap action film that ripped off
Alien. Alien is an oringinal atmospheric classic thriller/horror movie.
Herzog
- Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 21:04:53 (EST)
god,
The tounge in your cheek is showing:) Aliens is more of a war-scale
approach to Alien - my point exactly! Why would that make it better
and not just an exploitation of the original concept?
John
- Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 19:23:29 (EST)
"Alien and Aliens are definately similar, in both its starts out with
them killing a bunch of random aliens, then one follows them(or just
her) back to a "safe" ship then pops out for a final battle. And in
both films she finally gets rid of the alien by launching them out
into space. They are easily the same exact movies. Just because they
add a queen and change the status of couple people is irrelavent.
Alien is the best one(because it is atleast original)."
It's a SEQUEL. I guess Godfather Part 2 is the same because Don Vito
Corleone is in there. Just like Part 1! Aliens is a totally different
movie, hell, even a different genre (Alien is more horror/sci-fi).
Aliens is more of a war-scale approach to Alien while Alien is more
claustrophobic. Aliens far surpasses its predecessor in almost every
conceivable way.
God
- Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 18:40:38 (EST)
Herzog,
Thank you, you pertty much said it all.
Where were the marines in Alien? - On Earth still looking for Osama
Bin Laden
Where was the queen? - John Hurt
Where was the terraforming colony? - In Costa Rica being pursued by
Predators.
Just Kidding
John
- Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 11:04:40 (EST)
Alien and Aliens are definately similar, in both its starts out with
them killing a bunch of random aliens, then one follows them(or just
her) back to a "safe" ship then pops out for a final battle. And in
both films she finally gets rid of the alien by launching them out
into space. They are easily the same exact movies. Just because they
add a queen and change the status of couple people is irrelavent.
Alien is the best one(because it is atleast original).
Herzog
- Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 23:38:14 (EST)
Aliens > Alien. Alien is a 9/10 movie to me but Aliens is a 15/10
movie.
God
- Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 20:30:43 (EST)
Lol John, okay, but you made a comment about Aliens being a copy of
Alien...
Where were the marines in Alien?
Where was the queen?
Where was the terraforming colony?
How people are killed is different in the movies, Aliens is more
action than Alien, it's better and far superior too. The only thing
that is the same is the fact that Alien(s) are loose and that's about
it...
God
- Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 20:27:49 (EST)
god,
I certainly agree with you about T2, one really cool special effect
and a great shootout where nobody gets killed is good entertainment
but so what.
Toy Story 2 is a great choice, I wasnt thinking so much CGI as
traditional cinema but thats a pretty good call.
Im not a big Star Wars fan to begin with, its just another western
except it happens in space. I think the really cool thing about Star
Wars is the line: Long, long ago in a galaxy far far way introduces
the concept that time is a far bigger deal than our measly little
third stone from the sun.
Sorry, Kill 1&;2 is one movie as is LOR 1,2&;3.
You are right about Manhunter prequel to SOTL but its such an awful
film; dated (like watching a bad episode of Miami Vice), none of the
primary actors or director, or producer, or studio are the same. In
fact I actually dismiss it as cinema altogether.
I feel exactly the same about Aliens as I do T2, just another clone of
the same movie with more focus on special effects and action than
concept.
I really havent made up my mind about X2 and Spidey 2 though.
Personally I dont like any of the super hero movies I have ever
seen. Frankly I think Im probably too elitist when it comes to my
childhood with DC and Dell comics.
Jay,
I think Road Warrior is in the same boat as Aliens without oars, far
more focus on shootem up bang bang than concept. Mad Max is a good
film, not a great film but good for what it is, intensely
antagonizing.
But I think you really hit on one with The Good The Bad and The Ugly.
That one certainly makes the grade. I really never thought of it as a
sequel.
I havent seen the Before films, I will. And according to what I
have read, you are right the second one gets much better press.
I must admit I not sure to which films you refer as the color trilogy,
fill me in.
We can talk about Pirates when its finished, dont get your hopes up.
Thanks for your comments,
John
- Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 18:21:35 (EST)
I fail to see how Forrest Gump relates to yuppies.
How about a greatest movie lines list?
Sean
- Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 18:04:10 (EST)
Why isnt The Shawshank Redemption in the top 100 ????!!!!
It deserves a top ten spot!
One of the greatest movies ever made!
MTB Fan
- Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 17:52:27 (EST)
Raging Bull is the kind of movie that you're glad you went through
but you dont want to go through it again. Its too high.
bking
- Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 13:27:33 (EST)
Forrest Gump SUCKS you yuppie scum
Jay Sherman
- Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 11:53:09 (EST)
What about 'Enter the Dragon'
If I'd have seen that film first, I would never have made my film
with him !!! Still hurts now.
Anyway, it has the originality, success and impact criteria in
abundance. (Not sure about the script or storyline though)
Chuck Norris
- Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 10:59:21 (EST)
Raging Bull is great, but not THAT great!
What the hell happened to Forrest Gump?
Sean
- Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 09:42:28 (EST)
Oh, just wanted to throw this out there, the best net-gain ratio from
a movie was "The Blair Witch Project" which cost $22,000 to make and
took in $240.5 million worldwide, just shows you that an original idea
can be very profitable. (I didn't the movie was all that scary, but I
did think it was very unique, nothing that I'd ever seen from a
Hollywood produced movie before)
Guy
- Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 20:25:17 (EST)
How "Forrest Gump" won best picture over ANYTHING gets me. Obviously the
Academy caved under peer pressure and public popularity. Pulp Fiction
should have won that year, and Mo Freeman should have won Best Actor, and
I'll stand by that.
Jay Sherman
- Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 20:23:17 (EST)
"Shawshank Redemption" as only an honorable mention. Please I would
watch that movie before half of these on this list. And how "Forrest
Gump" won best picture that year (1994) over that, didn't make much
sense to me.
Guy
- Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 20:15:47 (EST)
Fantasia is the best animated movie of all time. Snow white second. Bambi
third. Other than Fantasia, I'm not a huge fan of them, but the animation in all
(including Dumbo and Pinnochio) is superb and painstakingly crafted. In my
opinion, anything computer animation except MAYBE toy story doesn't belong.
Jay Sherman
- Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 14:47:15 (EST)
Well I don't want to go into heavy analysis, but "Empire" is almost as good as
"star wars". not as good, but its still a quality movie. "Aliens" is just as good as
"Alien", to me. "The Road Warrior" is probably better than "Mad Max". "The
Good, the Bad, and The Ugly" is better than "Fistful"and "For a few dollars
more", the first two in the man with no name series. "Kill Bill Vol. 2" is just as
good as 'Vol.1". IMHO the last Lord of the Rings is better than the first two,
because its the only one with an actual ending. I liked spider-man 2 better than
the first. "Before Sunset" is probably as good as "Before Sunrise". Hopefully
one of the next two "Pirates" movies is better than the first. What about the three
colors trilogy, I think "rouge" was probably the best of the three. I don't know,
thats just my opinion on a few.
Jay Sherman
- Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 14:41:52 (EST)
Top 15 animated films of all time:
1. Pinocchio
2. Bambi
3. Spirited Away
4. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
5. Akira
6. Beauty and the Beast
7. Toy Story
8. The Iron Giant
9. Dumbo
10. Shrek
11. Toy Story 2
12. 101 Dalmations
13. Ghost in the Shell
14. The Nightmare Before Christmas
15. The Incredibles
God
- Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 14:37:20 (EST)
"Just for the sake of discussion, would anyone like to take a stab at
naming sequels that are as good or better than the originals (not
remakes). I will never be convinced that there are any. The only two
I that think even come close are Godfather II and Terminator II but I
personally dont think that they are.
This is my criteria: Could the sequel stand alone on its own merits
and be as great (or better) than the original if the original had
never been made? I know that is a paradox but its just for the sake
of discussion."
Terminator 2 stands on its own merits but it's hardly better than The
Terminator. T2 is just a remake of The Terminator with big special
effects. However, the best sequel is probably Toy Story 2 (although I
probably would prefer Toy Story - it's hard!), SW 2: Attack of the
Clones (it may not be an EMPIRE, but it's no MENACE either!), Kill
Bill Vol. 2, The Silence of the Lambs (yes, it is a sequel to I
believe "The Manhunter"), Aliens and then X2 and perhaps Spider-Man 2
outdoes its predecessor.
God
- Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 14:26:20 (EST)
Just for the sake of discussion, would anyone like to take a stab at
naming sequels that are as good or better than the originals (not
remakes). I will never be convinced that there are any. The only two
I that think even come close are Godfather II and Terminator II but I
personally dont think that they are.
This is my criteria: Could the sequel stand alone on its own merits
and be as great (or better) than the original if the original had
never been made? I know that is a paradox but its just for the sake
of discussion.
John
Waiting for Star Wars and Raiders to be sold seperately
- Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 11:17:46 (EST)
Arjun
Check #16
- Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 11:04:57 (EST)
Hey..where is Godfather II ?? its supposed to be better than the
original..
Arjun
Bombay, India - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 10:12:08 (EST)
I think the kill bill movies are incredibly underatted. Quenten
Tarantino is a genius
Aaron
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 22:43:17 (EST)
Jay Sherman,
I was never attacking the list. I actually think this list is above
solid, it's a good list.
I was goin at the ppl before my posts who were sayin Scarface was crap,
not the list. Basically all of these movies deserve a spot on the top
100. But that don't mean they are watchable after years to come. Cult
movies actually play just as much significance in the movie world as
classic films, so don't act like that technical stuff is the most
important thing about a movie cause most of these movies (which are
great) don't even have a cult, they only live thanks to lists like
these and smart critics. U shit on Scarface but I bet u if we stuck a
100 ppl in a theatre and said what u won't to watch Scarface or
Godfather there is going to be more ppl to say Scarface. It's a reason
why it's one of the biggest cult movies and it has nothing to do with
the technical stuff, it's because it's just flat out entertaining and
somethin different. I'm not sayin it's supposed to be on this list but
I saw ppl shitin on it and just felt like sayin somethin. Technical
ain't always better than raw entertainmnet. It takes some entertainment
for it work right.
Scarface is still the most popular gangster movie and will live longer
than Godfather. Godfather only survives because of critics. Scarface
survives fair and square. Not dissin just speakin the truth. I don't
have a problem with Gofather tho, but it's not that entertaining after
u watch it a few times. Too much detail and not enough entertainment to
keep it flavored. The fact it (Godfather) was the best shit in it's
decade gives it the forever classic stamp, but otherwise it's just
Titanic with better format on paper.
Red
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 22:37:56 (EST)
* I meant to say entertainingly corny, it never fails to bring a laugh or two
Jay Sherman
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 21:41:05 (EST)
You just don't get it, do you? This isn't a list for the most entertaining movies, it
is a list for the greatest movies of all time, meaning movies that excel in all the
aspects that make a great movie (technical, acting, entertainment value,
historical importance, story and dialogue, etc). For example, movies like
Citizen Kane, the Godfather and Casablanca are movies that have all of these
aspects, which is why they are considered three of the greatest movies of all
time (if not THE three greatest). But sometimes for a movie to be great it excels
in a certain aspect so much that it equalizes other deficiencies, for example On
The Waterfront or A Streetcar Named desire are by all means not technically
perfect, but the collective performances in them are probably two of the
greatest acting ensembles in film history, therefore evening it out. Another
example, is a movie like Reservoir Dogs who's storyline, to me, isn't complete.
Everytime I watch it I'm thoroughly entertained by the performances and the
superb dialogue, but to me the characters never truly reveal themselves and
the story has no satisfying closure. But due to the dialogue and the supporting
performances by Buscemi, Penn, Madsen make it a great movie. Now lets take
a movie like 1983's Scarface. The performances aren't THAT great (it's even
substandard Pacino), nothing jumps out at me technically, its too long, the
storyline is cliche, the dialogue is alright but its mostly filled with catchphrases,
it's got no real historical importance othert than sparking a semi-revival of
gangster flicks better than it (the untouchables, GoodFellas), entertainment
value? If sawing someones arm off in a shower is enough "entertainment" to
make a movie great than maybe I should just stop watching movies. What are
we left with? An overlong, ultra-violent ode to gangster movies with only some
occasionally witty dialogue and Pacino's corny accent lifting it from obscurity. I
give this movie a 3.5 or 4 out of five. Not crap, but definitely NOT a great movie.
Jay Sherman
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 21:38:15 (EST)
Godfather is a great movie. It's always ranked highter than Scarface
because of good acting and superb storyline. I know these things. I'm
not dumb or nothin. I seen each of the Godfather movies 3 times.
Godfather is masterpeice because it's like watchin a book, but all of
these qualities don't neccessarily means it's a top entertaining movie.
Scarface is like a story with little detail and a few roller coaster
rides. And those few roller coaster rides may not make it better than
Godfather but it damn sure makes it more entertaining. Al Pachino takes
that small detailed movie and turns it into somethin.
For example I think we all agree that Rocky I is the best of the Rocky
serious, and it's my favorite as well, but I wouldn't be surprised one
bit if someone came to my house and wanted to watch Rocky III instead
becaue Mr.T gave u that great entertainment, atho me myself will put
Rocky I and Rocky II ahead of Rocky III, it wouldn't surprise me if
someone else bussed out with Rocky III first.
Red
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 18:42:39 (EST)
Diddladumpytringly,
I think that was 1955's "The Big Combo" you were asking about..
Jay Sherman
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 07:47:15 (EST)
WOAH NOW! I feel a headache coming on...
Braveheart, in my mind, top 10, I would even be willing to let it
flaot into the top 20 and feel okay, but not even an honorable
mention? Wow, this is a new low...
Bleys
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 01:59:12 (EST)
Hey..where is Godfather II ?? its supposed to be better than the
original..
Arjun
Bombay, India - Monday, March 07, 2005 at 01:49:38 (EST)
"I would take Scarface over Godfather anyday. Godfather may be the
better movie on a grading scale but it's boring. Scarface is far more
entertaining. U have to drink coffee to watch Godfather. I'm not tryin
to diss Godfather cause I actually like it but ppl shit on Scarface
like it's a big zero or somethin. It's far more entertaining than
Godfather.
Godfather can be no.1 on grading scale but on a entertainment scale u
have to drugged up to say it's better than Scarface. Godfather doesn't
even have any replay value. If u rather watch Godfather over Scarface
slap ya self. And that's for real. U can't honestly say your gonna
watch Godfather 10 times before u watch Scarface 10 times. Godfather
is a classic movie and deserves it's spot on a grading scale but it's
no
necessary dvd unless u just collecting.
Red"
Scarface is just as slow and boring. The Godfather has many more
rememberable scenes (horses head, baptist/murder scene, SPOILER
SPOILER: ---- Don Vito's Death ---- END OF SPOILER ---, while
Scarface has one - "Say hello to my little friend!" Most critics and
film goers would choose The Godfather over Scarface any day. Just
check most movie rating boards and top 100 lists - The Godfather is
always significantly higher than Scarface... for a reason.
God
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 00:57:30 (EST)
"god,
your number 1 and 2 are the same thing. "
Nope. Number 1 is saying that the USA would not do that. Number 2 is
saying George Marshall - a real life man mind you - never did that,
especially during the Normady invasion.
God
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 00:54:12 (EST)
god,
your number 1 and 2 are the same thing.
pave
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 00:10:50 (EST)
red,
i would watch godfather 10 times before i would watch scarface 10
times. i love both of them though.
pave
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 00:08:34 (EST)
lol Red you have no idea what your talking about. Ive seen Godfather
Part I over 20 times probably, ive seen the Brian De Palma's Scarface
once and it's probably more for entertainment purposes then "grading
scale" purposes.
Fred
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 00:07:51 (EST)
I would take Scarface over Godfather anyday. Godfather may be the
better movie on a grading scale but it's boring. Scarface is far more
entertaining. U have to drink coffee to watch Godfather. I'm not tryin
to diss Godfather cause I actually like it but ppl shit on Scarface
like it's a big zero or somethin. It's far more entertaining than
Godfather.
Godfather can be no.1 on grading scale but on a entertainment scale u
have to drugged up to say it's better than Scarface. Godfather doesn't
even have any replay value. If u rather watch Godfather over Scarface
slap ya self. And that's for real. U can't honestly say your gonna
watch Godfather 10 times before u watch Scarface 10 times. Godfather is
a classic movie and deserves it's spot on a grading scale but it's no
necessary dvd unless u just collecting.
Red
- Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 23:23:07 (EST)
Hey, does anyone know the name of a gangster film from the forties in
which a crime boss and his cronies torture a cop by tying him to a
chair and playing REALLY loud jazz into a hearing-aid on full volume
in his ear? That's about the only thing I can remember about it...
Someone help me!
Diddladumpytringly
- Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 17:08:38 (EST)
"Ya Shawshank Redemption is awesome. 20s or 30s in rank. Great
acting.
Great plot. Just Great."
I just watched it again a couple days ago and now I hate it. Why?
It's cliched, as Fred said. It has the "mean prisonguard who is
helping the evil Warrent with evil intentions." The acting is average
at best (excluding Freeman, of course). Tim sounds like he is
mumbling throughout the whole film. The "plot" is weak and drags and
drags and could have been told in around 1.5 hours instead of 2.3
hours. D- from me now.
God
- Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 14:48:30 (EST)
"You have to be shitting me to say Scarface is a terrible movie."
Oh... it is
"It is one of Pacino's masterpiece, and his accent isn't shit."
Pacino's masterpiece? Sorry, have you seen The Godfather (and Part
2)? If you have, you would take back that statement. And his accent
sounded more like a bad Mexican accent than a Cuban accent.
" Its one of the greatest mob/gangster movies of all time next to the
GodFather/GFP2 and Goodfellas."
Ahahaha!! Then the mob/gangster genre must be in some real shit if
Scarface is in the top 5. It's a crap movie.
"Oh ya, Saving Private Ryan is one of the best and most
accurate war movies of all time. Eh, fuck you, meng!"
SPR is accurate? Sorry - but it's not. Do a little more history
research. Here is just 3 things were it is inaccurate at:
1. The USA does not send 8 people to find one person in a foreign
country - especially when they are trying to defend a bridge.
2. George Marshall NEVER ordered 8 men to risk their lives
(especially in the Normady invasion) for this one guy. This is a flat
out lie and slander. It's not a "What if?" situation here, it is a
bald face LIE.
3. No WW2 GI would argue with an officer over whether to attack or
kill a POW.
And that's just 3 problems out of the hundreds.
This movie is a boring film based on flawed sentimentaly. SPR is a
perfect example of "All-American entertainment." Sometimes I'm
embarassed to call myself an American.
God
- Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 14:46:16 (EST)
I would like to know why only one of the Lord of the Rings movies is
on here, and why it is so low on the list...in my opinion LotR:RotK
is the greatest movie ever made, but thats me talking...it should
still be higher though.
Adam
- Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 21:17:59 (EST)
Shawshank is one the most unoriginal, cliche movies ever made.
Fred
- Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 20:36:18 (EST)
Ya Shawshank Redemption is awesome. 20s or 30s in rank. Great acting.
Great plot. Just Great.
Bobby D
- Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 20:01:31 (EST)
You have to be shitting me to say Scarface is a terrible movie. It is
one of Pacino's masterpiece, and his accent isn't shit. Its one of the
greatest mob/gangster movies of all time next to the GodFather/GFP2
and Goodfellas. Oh ya, Saving Private Ryan is one of the best and most
accurate war movies of all time. Eh, fuck you, meng!
Bobby D
- Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 19:57:50 (EST)
The person who calls himself "God". Fuck you. Scarface is an amzing
movie, as is Saving Private Ryan.
Dude
- Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 19:25:59 (EST)
lord of the rings should be on here
jake
- Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 17:25:12 (EST)
Paths of Glory
Ray
- Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 15:37:15 (EST)
IF BARBARA BROCCOLI, MICHAEL G WILSON, EON PRODUCTIONS AND DANJAG WANT
BOND 21 AKA CASINO ROYALE TO BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE GREATEST BOND
MOVIES EVER, THEY WILL NEED TO BRING BACK PIERCE BROSNAN AS IAN
FLEMING'S JAMES BOND 007! PIERCE BROSNAN IS THE PERFECT BOND ACTOR FOR
CASINO ROYALE! AND EON SHOULD DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BRING BROSNAN
BACK ONE MORE TIME!
BROSNAN, PIERCE BROSNAN
- Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 04:19:53 (EST)
I am glad Star Wars is ahead of The Empire Strikes Back. = )
God
- Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 00:20:45 (EST)
just wondering if there was going to be a greatest sports movies list
on this site.
dazed and confused
- Friday, March 04, 2005 at 11:51:26 (EST)
top 10 gangster movies of all time...
1. The Godfather
2. The Godfather Part II
I don't know if the Godfather movies are really TRUE gangster movies, they're
more like epic dramas about a mob family.
3. GoodFellas
4. Scarface: The Shame of A Nation (1932)
5. Bonnie And Clyde
6. Pulp Fiction (I guess it's kind of a neo gangster movie)
7. Little Caesar
8. White Heat
9. The Public Enemy
10. Angels With Dirty Faces
Two Alternates... Reservoir Dogs, Once Upon A Time In America
Don't forget... The Killer, Mean Streets, The Untouchables, The Roaring
Twenties
The 1983 version of Scarface is vastly overrated, it is a good movie yes, but I
know people who think that it is the best movie of all time. These are people
that need to watch more movies.
Jay Sherman
- Friday, March 04, 2005 at 07:44:13 (EST)
Scarface is absolutely dreadful. Horrible acting (Al
Pacino's "accent" is shit), laughable story (it's whole depiction of
the drug world is laughable), very amateurishly done. Horrible movie.
Worse than the mess that is called "Saving Private Ryan."
God
- Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 22:24:57 (EST)
whered FULL METAL JACKET GO!!!!
steve
- Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 21:46:53 (EST)
Why did Goodfellas move down? Its the greatest mobster movie next to
the Goidfather/GF2 and Scarface. Who agress with me that this is the
movie Scorcese should have won best director for. Oops, I forgot it
was Dances with Wolves starring.. cough... Kevin Costner. (that
entire line was complete scarcasm)
Bobby D
- Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 21:07:10 (EST)
i had actually only seen a little bit of shawshank redemtion but now
i jst saw the whole thing and i think that it MUST move up.
tough critic
- Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 17:04:54 (EST)
god,
I think you have it backwards. The Lord of the Rings is in fact three
stories as Tolkin wrote it as a trilogy. The film however is a bit
different. Unlike the way we view the film, the construction of the
sets an assemblage of all of the extras as well as the CGI stuff, is
actually filmed in a way that is far removed from the temporal way the
story unfolds. In other words, Jackson may have in fact (I dont have
access to the shooting script) filmed much of The Return of the King
battle sequences at the same time the scenes for the Battle for Minas
Tirth were filmed and all of that could have been filmed way before
any of The Fellowship scenes were filmed.
This is one movie folks, albeit a very long one. It was a mammoth
undertaking, a five-year project in the planning, filmed over 15
months and involving over 90 speaking parts. With the aid of satellite
communications, Jackson was able to direct from a central location
filming in up to three separate locations around the country, each
with a field director taking instructions from Jackson in his base
viewing the footage as it happened from multiple film crews operating
simultaneously in different locations using Video Conferencing systems.
This was all done because of many reasons but primarily because so
many of the principal characters were acted by age sensitive
individuals. If the film had been done in three separate parts, young
actors would show ageing when the time line is supposed to be very
short and older actors may die or some other consequence could prevent
them from continuing. That would make it necessary to use a
replacement actor very very bad.
If you suppose that The Return of the King is the best because its
the only one with an ending, you miss the whole point it has no
beginning. However I am inclined to agree that The Lord of the Rings:
123 may not belong on the top 100 list, at least yet (the test of time
thing). It is a marvelous story, filmed with meticulous detail,
scripted and acted quite well but it may suffer in the long term from
the one thing that makes it so unusual, its length. I am tempted to
agree with Tough Critic that Shawshank Redemption should replace it.
Thanks,
John
- Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 12:25:56 (EST)
how come the shawshank redemption was pretty high last time but is
now in the honorable mentions list?i liked the list better when there
was 150 names rather than just 100 and honorable mentions.i think
that a list like this should extend to 200 so that movies like the
aviator,the truman show,almost famous,black hawk down and many more
could make the list.
also,i think that lord of the rings:return of the king is maybe a
little too high.but maybe that's just me.
tough critic
- Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 11:09:14 (EST)
It should be in the Honourable Mentions list. No matter how much you
hate those gay hobbits, you have to admit, the battles are just
awsome and make up for it.
Damage Inc
Brisbane, QLD Australia - Thursday, March 03, 2005 at 07:02:43 (EST)
And the third one is the only one that deserves a sniff of this list as it is the only
film of the three that has an ending. Simple and plain though, none of these
movies deserves top 100 status. Top 300 definitely, top 200 probably, top 100
no.
Jay Sherman
- Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 21:09:42 (EST)
The Lord of the Rings may be just one story, however, that does not
change the fact they are seperate films. One being "The Lord of the
Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring" - the other being "The Lord of the
Rings: The Two Towers" and the last being "The Lord of the Rings: The
Return of the King." They are just one story, but 3 different movies.
As you said, parts.
God
- Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 19:12:09 (EST)
john,
ive thought about doing that. its become a technical question. they
are each, technically, seperately released films. but like you said,
they are basically one movie. i will give it some more thought. im
not sure what i will do.
pave
- Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 18:56:56 (EST)
Around the World in Eighty Days?
Josh from Hawaii
- Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 15:25:17 (EST)
Pave,
Nice revision. Although I would order a bit differently, I see
nothing to really contest. One nit that bothers me is that on almost
every list I have seen, here and on other sites, The Lord of the Rings
is listed as seperate films. This is really a bad perspective on
these films since they were all filmed together. The only reason they
are seperated is that the books are in three parts and they total over
nine hours. Hardly something that the box office wizards (or most
audiences) could tolerate.
If you were to view only one of the films, you would miss the whole
point of the story and out of context each part is at its weakest
cinematically. Please list The Lord of the Rings as one entry that
includes all three parts.
Good job,
John
- Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 11:39:20 (EST)
Where is Scarface? I think its a great movie, top 20 actually.. But
then again im not a movie buff, someone tell me why its not that high
Andy
- Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 09:38:32 (EST)
Annie Hall should be higher.
Seamus
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 22:05:53 (EST)
Pave,
If that's the case make casablance #1.
Seamus
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 22:04:53 (EST)
I love bridge on the River Kwai. Alec Guinnes is awesome in that flick.
Joe
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 21:36:34 (EST)
seamus,
also that is not to take away from citizen kane. it is a great film.
i was a little harsh on it. but you get my point. at some point i
have to set aside the legendary status and focus on whether or not
the film suceeds in entertaining its audience. and its not just that
younger people dont have the attention span. because it was just the
same when it came out. it was always a critical success and
commercial flop. while godfather was highly regarded by both critics
and audiences.
pave
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 21:28:00 (EST)
That top five is how it should be
Josh from Hawaii
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 21:22:49 (EST)
seamus,
there is a major problem that citizen kane has, despite its technical
brilliance. its the test of time. citizen kane's status is very high,
but its entertainment value is diminishing. the godfather is as
interesting to this generation as it was when it came out and has
been since. ironically, citizen kane was a fan flop when it came out
and things havent changed much. as far as historical significance
goes, it would be number 1 without a doubt. but it has always been a
critically acclaimed film that nobody really wants to watch. in fact,
i think ive met fewer than 3 people in my life (of all ages) who
really liked the film. i personally found it to be interesting, but
not nearly as much as its legend would tell. it is regarded so highly
for its influence on modern filmmaking more than for actual
entertainment value.
but aside from that, how is the godfather not perfect? arguably the
best ensemble acting performance in all of film. nothing wrong with
the screenplay, nothing wrong with the directing, nothing wrong with
the performance. everything is perfect.
pave
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 21:22:48 (EST)
How did the Godfather get #1, yeah its great. But from a technical Standpoint,
Citizen Kane is perfect. Perfect acting, techinally perfect. How is the Godfather
that high?
1.Citizen Kane
2.Casablanca
3.Gone With The Wind
4.Seven Samurai
5.The Godfather
Seamus
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 19:33:36 (EST)
Scarface is a cinematic classic that shows brutal reality, and is an
emotional story, its better than 90% of the movies on this list.
Movieman
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 18:59:22 (EST)
Should Be On... Touch Of Evil, Shane, Stagecoach, The Wild Bunch, Five Easy
Pieces
Shouldn't Be On... Dr. Zhivago, The Manchurian Candidate, Rocky, The Sound
Of Music, Wuthering Heights
Shamal
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 15:13:11 (EST)
AW MAN. I meant 12. Dammit, I feel like an idiot now.
Johnny
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 14:34:36 (EST)
23 Angry Men has to be really high on this list.
Johnny
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 14:34:06 (EST)
All the Indiana Jones movies should be up there
RyanB
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 13:58:01 (EST)
Ben-Hur should be higher on this list.
MB
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 12:52:40 (EST)
First post since the latest revision! Take that bitches! Ha!
Kevin
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 11:45:33 (EST)
- - - - - The List Was Revised At This Point - 3/1/05 - - - - -
Guy, thats a really crap list from that site.
Lord of the Rings (and all of its sequels) in the top 10? hell no.
And any greatest movies list that dosnt hv Gone With The Wind in the
top 5 needs some improvement.
Elzz
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 05:40:08 (EST)
umm no. gladiator is deifnitely NOT a horrible movie. it is one of
the best...
and wtf is ANYTHING by david lynch doing on this list?
its me dan
- Monday, February 28, 2005 at 23:41:44 (EST)
Top 100 from IMDb.com:
1 Godfather, The (1972)
2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994)
3 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003)
4 Godfather: Part II, The (1974)
5 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002)
6 Casablanca (1942)
7 Schindlers List (1993)
8 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001)
9 Shichinin no samurai (1954)
10 Citizen Kane (1941)
11 Star Wars (1977)
12 One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest (1975)
13 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the
Bomb (1964)
14 Rear Window (1954)
15 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
16 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
17 Memento (2000)
18 Usual Suspects, The (1995)
19 Pulp Fiction (1994)
20 North by Northwest (1959)
21 Fabuleux destin dAmélie Poulain, Le (2001)
22 Psycho (1960)
23 12 Angry Men (1957)
24 Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
25 Silence of the Lambs, The (1991)
26 Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il (1966)
27 Its a Wonderful Life (1946)
28 Goodfellas (1990)
29 American Beauty (1999)
30 Vertigo (1958)
31 Sunset Blvd. (1950)
32 Matrix, The (1999)
33 Apocalypse Now (1979)
34 Pianist, The (2002)
35 To Kill a Mockingbird (1962)
36 Some Like It Hot (1959)
37 Taxi Driver (1976)
38 Third Man, The (1949)
39 Paths of Glory (1957)
40 Cera una volta il West (1968)
41 Fight Club (1999)
42 Boot, Das (1981)
43 Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi (2001)
44 Double Indemnity (1944)
45 L.A. Confidential (1997)
46 Chinatown (1974)
47 Singin in the Rain (1952)
48 Requiem for a Dream (2000)
49 Maltese Falcon, The (1941)
50 M (1931)
51 All About Eve (1950)
52 Bridge on the River Kwai, The (1957)
53 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
54 Se7en (1995)
55 Saving Private Ryan (1998)
56 Raging Bull (1980)
57 Cidade de Deus (2002)
58 Wizard of Oz, The (1939)
59 Rashômon (1950)
60 Sting, The (1973)
61 Alien (1979)
62 American History X (1998)
63 Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)
64 Léon (1994)
65 Touch of Evil (1958)
66 Manchurian Candidate, The (1962)
67 Vita è bella, La (1997)
68 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
69 Wo hu cang long (2000)
70 Treasure of the Sierra Madre, The (1948)
71 Great Escape, The (1963)
72 Clockwork Orange, A (1971)
73 Reservoir Dogs (1992)
74 Annie Hall (1977)
75 Amadeus (1984)
76 Jaws (1975)
77 On the Waterfront (1954)
78 Ran (1985)
79 Modern Times (1936)
80 Braveheart (1995)
81 High Noon (1952)
82 Apartment, The (1960)
83 Sixth Sense, The (1999)
84 Fargo (1996)
85 Aliens (1986)
86 Shining, The (1980)
87 Blade Runner (1982)
88 Strangers on a Train (1951)
89 Metropolis (1927)
90 Duck Soup (1933)
91 Finding Nemo (2003)
92 Donnie Darko (2001)
93 Toy Story 2 (1999)
94 Princess Bride, The (1987)
95 General, The (1927)
96 City Lights (1931)
97 Lola rennt (1998)
98 Great Dictator, The (1940)
99 Full Metal Jacket (1987)
100 Notorious (1946
Guy
- Monday, February 28, 2005 at 20:59:26 (EST)
id like to know why the hell there is a picture of lotr 3 at the main
page but its not there
norman
- Monday, February 28, 2005 at 16:31:09 (EST)
Too bad Dr. Zhivago's so boring (3 1/2 hrs), it could have been
really great.
Josh from Hawaii
- Monday, February 28, 2005 at 05:31:31 (EST)
u need to add million dollar baby to this list
matt
- Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 23:43:43 (EST)
The reason you didnt see Gladiator is because its a horrible movie
and Kill Bill's good but not on par with the best of the best.
Nigel
- Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 20:23:55 (EST)
I just quickly skimmed over the list but I did not see Gladiator or
Kill Bill. Both should be added, and high-up, if they are in fact
missing. Pulp Fiction should also be higher.
its me dan
- Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 19:32:35 (EST)
The 80s on shouldn't be on here, I wouldnt mind seeing the 30s one
on here though.
Clanton
- Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 19:04:11 (EST)
"Where is Scarface, it's not in the top 20? That's a crime"
Scarface is a bad movie. F-
God
- Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 18:40:56 (EST)
OSCAR PREDICTIONS
who i think will win
best actor- Jamie Foxx "Ray"
best actress- Hillary Swank "Million Dollar Baby"
best supporting actor- Thomas Haden Church "Sideways"
best supporting actress- Natalie Portman "Closer"
animated film- "The Incredibles"
best picture- "Million Dollar Baby"
adapted screenplay- "Sideways"
original screenplay- "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"
who i want to win
best actor- Jamie Foxx "Ray"
best actress- Kate Winslet "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"
best supporting actor- Morgan Freeman "Million Dollar Baby"
best supporting actress- Virginia Madsen "Sideways"
animated film- i could care less
best picture- "Million Dollar Baby"
adapted screenplay- "Million Dollar Baby"
original screenplay- "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"
pave
- Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 15:13:06 (EST)
Where is Scarface, it's not in the top 20? That's a crime
Movieman
- Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 12:58:36 (EST)
Charles, personally i'd put it at 4 or 5.
Patrick
- Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 11:31:14 (EST)
I'd like to know, am I the only one that thinks number 15 is too low
for Seven Samurai?
Charles
- Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 02:56:36 (EST)
The Thin Red Line should be put in the top 100. Its the best war film
ever made.
Bob
- Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 20:49:33 (EST)
Seven Samurai - (1959, Akira Kurosawa) (Takashi Shimura, Yoshio Inaba,
Toshiro Mifune)
Lol! Why not Godzilla ,niether is worth a shit , but c'mon ! John
Belushi was better this clown!
TopDog
- Friday, February 25, 2005 at 20:42:27 (EST)
Alex,
Surely you jest.
A little shaken but not stirred
- Friday, February 25, 2005 at 17:20:38 (EST)
Is no James Bond film worthy of this list then?
Alex
Leeds UK, - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 15:37:39 (EST)
Here is your crowd pleaser List:
1. Titanic (1997) $600,779,824
2. Star Wars (1977) $460,935,665
3. Shrek 2 (2004) $436,471,036
4. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) $434,949,459
5. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $431,065,444
6. Spider-Man (2002) $403,706,375
7. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $377,019,252
8. Spider-Man 2 (2004) $373,377,893
9. The Passion of the Christ (2004) $370,270,943
10. Jurassic Park (1993) $356,784,000
11. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) $340,478,898
12. Finding Nemo (2003) $339,714,367
13. Forrest Gump (1994) $329,691,196
14. The Lion King (1994) $328,423,001
15. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001) $317,557,891
16. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
$313,837,577
17. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) $310,675,583
18. Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983) $309,125,409
19. Independence Day (1996) $306,124,059
20. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003)
$305,388,685
21. The Sixth Sense (1999) $293,501,675
22. Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) $290,158,751
23. Home Alone (1990) $285,761,243
24. The Matrix Reloaded (2003) $281,492,479
25. Meet the Fockers (2004) $273,488,020
26. Shrek (2001) $267,652,016
27. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (2002) $261,970,615
28. How the Grinch Stole Christmas (2000) $260,031,035
29. Jaws (1975) $260,000,000
30. The Incredibles (2004) $258,938,368
31. Monsters, Inc. (2001) $255,870,172
32. Batman (1989) $251,188,924
33. Men in Black (1997) $250,147,615
34. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004) $249,358,727
35. Toy Story 2 (1999) $245,823,397
36. Bruce Almighty (2003) $242,589,580
37. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) $242,374,454
38. Twister (1996) $241,688,385
39. My Big Fat Greek Wedding (2002) $241,437,427
40. Ghost Busters (1984) $238,600,000
41. Beverly Hills Cop (1984) $234,760,500
42. Cast Away (2000) $233,630,478
43. The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997) $229,074,524
44. Signs (2002) $227,965,690
45. Rush Hour 2 (2001) $226,138,454
46. Mrs. Doubtfire (1993) $219,200,000
47. Ghost (1990) $217,631,306
48. Aladdin (1992) $217,350,219
49. Saving Private Ryan (1998) $216,119,491
50. Mission: Impossible II (2000) $215,397,307
51. X2 (2003) $214,948,780
52. Austin Powers in Goldmember (2002) $213,079,163
53. Back to the Future (1985) $210,609,762
54. Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me (1999) $205,399,422
55. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) $204,843,350
56. The Exorcist (1973) $204,565,000
57. The Mummy Returns (2001) $202,007,640
58. Armageddon (1998) $201,573,391
59. Gone with the Wind (1939) $198,655,278
60. Pearl Harbor (2001) $198,539,855
61. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989) $197,171,806
62. Toy Story (1995) $191,773,049
63. Men in Black II (2002) $190,418,803
64. Gladiator (2000) $187,670,866
65. The Day After Tomorrow (2004) $186,739,919
66. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) $184,925,485
67. Dances with Wolves (1990) $184,208,848
68. Batman Forever (1995) $184,031,112
69. The Fugitive (1993) $183,875,760
70. Ocean's Eleven (2001) $183,405,771
71. What Women Want (2000) $182,805,123
72. The Perfect Storm (2000) $182,618,434
73. Liar Liar (1997) $181,395,380
74. Grease (1978) $181,360,000
75. Jurassic Park III (2001) $181,166,115
76. Mission: Impossible (1996) $180,965,237
77. Planet of the Apes (2001) $180,011,740
78. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984) $179,870,271
79. Pretty Woman (1990) $178,406,268
80. Tootsie (1982) $177,200,000
81. Top Gun (1986) $176,781,728
82. There's Something About Mary (1998) $176,483,808
83. Ice Age (2002) $176,387,405
84. The Bourne Supremacy (2004) $176,049,130
85. Crocodile Dundee (1986) $174,635,000
86. Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992) $173,585,516
87. Elf (2003) $173,381,405
88. Rain Man (1988) $172,825,435
89. Air Force One (1997) $172,620,724
90. Apollo 13 (1995) $172,071,312
91. The Matrix (1999) $171,383,253
92. Beauty and the Beast (1991) $171,301,428
93. Tarzan (1999) $171,085,177
94. A Beautiful Mind (2001) $170,708,996
95. Chicago (2002) $170,684,505
96. National Treasure (2004) $169,378,371
97. Three Men and a Baby (1987) $167,780,960
98. Meet the Parents (2000) $166,225,040
99. Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (1991) $165,500,000
100. Hannibal (2001) $165,091,464
From IMDb.com
- Friday, February 25, 2005 at 13:16:35 (EST)
Godfather I and II should either be counted as one movie or Godfather
II should move up to number 2. Also, the most "crowd-pleasing" movies
can be found by looking at the top box office hits ever.
swedishspeedmetal
- Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 20:10:42 (EST)
Rain Man should be on here.
ross
- Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 16:13:41 (EST)
Ah yes, thakyou Re-Check
Alex
Leeds UK, - Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 10:59:37 (EST)
Ben-Hur #64
Re-Check
- Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 18:20:55 (EST)
Sorry, Pave, but I don't think I'm making the best use of my time
arguing with you on this subject. I stand by everything written in
my last post, which seems to answer many of the questions you just
posed already. Anyway, good luck with your list and les adieux.
Pete
- Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 17:45:50 (EST)
Forrest Gump at 133? WAY too low!
No Ben Hur? Thats an insult!
Alex
Leeds UK, - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 13:56:31 (EST)
pete,
i have a question. can you name me a movie that is "great" but not
entertaining? you seem to think entertainment isnt a factor in a
great film. so i ask what films this applies to.
you arent making much sense with some of your arguements. a
challenging and rewarding film would not be entertaining? to who? if
a film is challenging and rewarding, then it seems that it would be
entertaining. would you watch a movie that wasnt entertaining? i
would. but would i like the movie if it wasnt entertaining? probably
not. you could have all the creativity and artistic value you want in
a movie, but if it fails to entertain then it has lost alot of its
value.
there are two qualifications that art must meet in order to be great.
it has to come from the heart of the artist and it has to enter the
heart of the viewer. without one or the other, the art is lost. would
you disagree?
if you will notice, this list is not weighted down by blockbusters
with no artistic value. so i dont know why you seem to think i am
only enterested in popcorn and big budget films.
in order to be on this list, a movie has to meet both parts- it has
to have artistic value and it has to appeal to the viewer. there are
a few that made it based on historical significance as well, but even
they were artistic and entertaining in their time in order to have
the impact and staying power they did.
just how many of these films have you noticed getting bad reviews? i
have seen some bad reviews for forrest gump, the titanic, grease,
planet of the apes, and some others. but generally, all of these
movies are extremely highly acclaimed, by both critics and audiences.
you have yet to really be specific on anything. you claim all this
stuff about artistic value, but you dont really state why alot of
these dont have artistic value. could you do that for me?
pave
- Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 00:24:48 (EST)
pete,
i wasnt meaning that popularity was the only important thing. just
part of it. i take ALL things into consideration. that is something
you refuse to do.
pave
- Wednesday, February 23, 2005 at 00:04:46 (EST)
I don't mind being labeled a snob, but I absolutely hate the way
you're attempting to simplify the art of cinema as "entertainment."
If you take a closer look at my list, you'll see a great many films
that are immensely entertaining. They have no great artistic
ambitions; they are masterworks because they're hilarious and full of
life. There are the Hawks comedies like "Twentieth
Century," "Bringing Up Baby," and "His Girl Friday," or such Lubitsch
comedy as "Trouble in Paradise," "The Shop Around the Corner,"
and "The Marriage Circle." These are pure entertainment, and I love
them all.
But you don't seem to realize that there are SO MANY different ways a
film can provide us with pleasure, and that's the film world
represented by the list above and embraced by you in your posts is
such a small and limited one. Your need for entertainment restricts
you from the more challenging (but in many cases, more rewarding)
films like Bresson's "Au Hasard Balthazar" or Tarkovsky's "Andrei
Rublev," not the sort of fare that's going to get your average,
popcorn chomping crowd excited, but great films nevertheless that are
being discriminated by your horribly misled approach to cinema.
Even more unsettling is your conclusion that one should never argue
against the majority. "That many people just can't be wrong." I
have news for you: that many people CAN be wrong. To throw out an
obvious and horribly overused example (since I'm confident it will be
understood), a majority of Germans during WWII were Nazi
sympathizers. Could it be that they were, to some extent,
brainwashed by the authorities, exposed only to certain details and
not to others? Can this not be the case in aesthetics? Can't a
terrible, manipulative, single-minded, piece of Oscar bait like "A
Beautiful Mind" be cherished by the majority because it so clearly
caters to their desire for entertainment, easy characterizations,
spoonfed "messages" and a happy ending? Are we to conclude
that "Mulholland Drive" is inferior because it didn't make as much
money at the box office? If you're actually serious on this, than I
must say you're about the last person I'd have moderating a movie
site.
I hope you reconsider and accept my proposition for the 300 films. A
list that regards popularity and entertainment value as the primary
criteria for "greatness" is only going to put newbies on the wrong
track.
Pete
- Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 23:39:33 (EST)
This list sucks. SOME of the ones listed are good but what about more
recent movies?
Kristina
Fl US - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 23:36:23 (EST)
pete,
i wasnt trying to offend you. it just seems that you are a bit
snobish. its not the passion of movies that makes you seem that way,
its the general feeling towards everyone else's opinion. if i take
away popularity, it becomes really no more than the opinion of a
couple hundred film critics and myself. that doesnt reflect the
true "greatest" movies. when the word "greatness" is used, it is
being used to describe something of significance. to me, popularity
and historical significance are important factors of greatness.
all forms of art register in two ways. art to the creator,
entertainment to the viewer. if you dont regard film as
entertainment, then maybe it is you who lacks the passion.
let me ask you something. lets take two movies- movie "A" and
movie "B". movie "A" is a blockbuster, good plot but nothing
spectacular, well acted but nothing amazing. movie "B" is highly
original, brilliantly acted, but the plot (while amazing) is
something that only a select group of people can relate to and not
get confused. we will take 100 people. 90 of them go to see
movie "A". 10 go see movie "B". now, which is a greater film? i would
go see movie "B" personally. i find originality and complex plotlines
to be a lot more interested than an average big budget feature. but
does that make it greater? is my opinion worth 90 other people's? i
dont believe so. and so that is why popularity is a factor that i
use. becuase without it, the list would only reflect the artistic
people of the world, not the general population.
i apologize if i offended you. but this is what i think.
pave
- Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 21:21:08 (EST)
Pave, if you think I'm an elitist snob (and I can't say I blame you
if you do), then I'll give up my efforts at revising the list.
How many of the above films wouldn't make my list? As mentioned
before, roughly 85%.
My list of 300 would NOT take into account "popularity." I don't
think a film's popularity says anything about the quality of its
content.
As for the general public, I don't think they're searching for
cinematic greatness so much as they are searching for superficial
pleasure. The average moviegoer isn't interested in challenging
himself/herself, watching films with a reflective state-of-mind or an
eye for aesthetics. The masses are largely ignorant of truly great
films because they're never exposed to them. If American theaters
were only playing "Ivan the Terrible," "Germany Year Zero," or other
such works, no doubt the masses wouldn't be so intellectually lazy.
It's a common reaction to dismiss people like myself as snobs. I was
hoping there would be others on this site with a genuine passion for
film, but I'm getting the impression that most posters here are
either very new to the medium or merely abstemious in their
moviegoing habits. Someone who regards "entertainment" as the
purpose of film (and dismisses a list of cinematic landmarks that
he/she hasn't even seen as snobbish) strikes me as a moderator with
insufficient passion for the subject matter he's been placed in
charge of.
Pete
- Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 20:52:56 (EST)
pete,
the above list is supposed to consider both critical and audience
acclaim. im not looking to put together a list of only critically
acclaimed movies, becuase many of them are uninteresting to mass
audiences. and to me, entertainment is the major reason for having
movies. so as opposed to acting like a snob im going to reflect what
the audience likes, not what a couple of old white guys in suits pick
as their favorites. but yes, critical acclaim is important to me.
this list comes down to only a few key things- historical
significance, artistic quality (critical acclaim goes along with
this), and popularity.
go ahead and make your 300 list.
just wondering, how many of the films on the above list do you think
really wouldnt be here if you had made it?
and one more question- are you one of those guys who thinks that the
opinion of the general population doesnt matter becuase you know
better? i meet alot of people like that on this site. they come here
thinking that they can argue with mass population becuase they have
it in their minds that their opinion is somehow better. i dont know
you well, so im not making that judgement. but if you are, let me
know. that way, i know where you are coming from.
pave
- Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 19:41:50 (EST)
Pave - I need to know something first... Do you want the above list
to be the 150 "Greatest" films, or a list of 150 "Crowd Pleasers"?
If you're looking for the latter, than I won't be of much use to
you. However, I can guarantee you that I know at least ten times
more about cinema than the guy who put together the list.
I was prepared to give you a list of 300, and I'm still considering
this. The list of 300 would have been carefully chosen, and you
could have researched any of my choices and found an enormous
critical following for each of my picks.
I say all this because putting together a list of 300 would be much
quicker for me than the method you're suggesting. There are some
above that are REASONABLE choices, but better works could be chosen
in their place. To scan through the current list and type out every
movie that doesn't belong at all would take more work and time than
I'm willing to put into this.
If you think it's too much work to pick out 150 of my proposed 300
and rank them (or find it difficult because you haven't seen most of
the choices), then how about I give you a proposed ranking and you
tinker with it until you're satisfied? I'd be willing to go through
the extra work if it would improve things on this page.
Pete
- Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 17:25:00 (EST)
bryan,
im not sure. im not doing one. but i dont know if someone else is.
pete,
how about you make a list of the movies that dont belong here (out of
the ones that are here). the movies that i have on the list that you
dont think are masterpieces. and also the ones you think are
undeniably worthy of the list. that saves the time of you making a
huge list that will have many of the same choices. but if you want to
make the other list you mentioned, go ahead. i cant stop you. i would
actually be interested to see your top 300 masterpieces. but you can
just start with what films you think dont need to be here (i can
already think of a few: grease, reservoir dogs, planet of the apes,
the shining)
pave
- Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 15:36:30 (EST)
'godfather II' should be top ten, 'godfather' a great number one. what
is 'la dolce vita' i've never heard of it
swedishspeedmetal
- Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 11:16:22 (EST)
pave
is there by any chance a 100 greatest musicals list in the works?
bryan(a.k.a.boo boo)
- Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 07:24:27 (EST)
I meant to put quotations around "experts" in the first paragraph.
Pete
- Monday, February 21, 2005 at 18:54:09 (EST)
Pave, I could care less about the ordering, which I don't think is of
much importance anyway. Yes, "The Jazz Singer" was the first major
film with a character on screen speaking dialogue, but that doesn't
really make it important as anything other than a technical
achievement. As far as its content is concerned, neither critics,
filmmakers or audiences have much of an interest in it, only the self-
congratulatory experts who put together the AFI list.
How about this... I'll put together a list of 300 unquestionable
masterpieces, and you pick however many you like and put them in
whatever order you like. My list below has a few idiosyncracies; the
list I'll submit to you will be much safer, more agreeable and less
subjective. Naturally, if you see something problematic about it,
like an inexplicable omission, we could discuss it.
I'd put the films into about 10 tiers based on critical esteem. If
you like the idea, let me know and I'll get to work on it. It
wouldn't take me more than an hour.
Pete
- Monday, February 21, 2005 at 18:52:35 (EST)
pete,
you have a pretty strong backround in film history, but you dont see
the importance of the jazz singer?
i can handle the revision myself. but feel free to post as much as
you want. and yes, the original maker of this list used AFI's list as
a major source.
2001 at number 1 and The Godfather at 21? and no Bridge on the River
Kwai or On the Waterfront? i dont see that happening anytime soon.
sorry.
pave
- Monday, February 21, 2005 at 18:08:29 (EST)
Pave, for starters, we could put together a list of the great
directors, like Kubrick, Welles, Bunuel, Bresson, Ozu, Lang, Dreyer,
etc... Then we would discern what are the essential masterworks of
these directors. Lastly, we would have to go about finding those
gems that weren't directed by great directors, such as "Singin' in
the Rain" and "The Third Man." Through such a process, we wouldn't
have any trouble coming up with 150 genuine masterworks.
I think the wrong thing to do is to revise the list based on requests
from the posters, most of whom seem uninterested in cinema as an art
form. Because the artistic content of a film would seem to be an
obvious criteria for cinematic "greatness," it follows that most of
the current choices are on the wrong list.
Maybe there could be two lists: "Greatest" and "Most popular."
Either way, many of these choices clearly don't belong ("The Jazz
Singer?" Whoever put together this list has no knowledge of silent
cinema and clearly took his/her cue from the AFI's awful 1998 list).
Since I have a pretty strong background in film history, I would be
glad to help revise the "greatness" list, so long as you're up for
the idea. The list would look something closer to the one I posted
below, but much "safer."
Pete
- Monday, February 21, 2005 at 09:00:20 (EST)
whats wrong with Reservoir Dogs?
its one of my favourite movies
Damage Inc
Brisbane, QLD Australia - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 06:12:55 (EST)
where is "Philadelphia" starring Tom Hanks and Denzel.
"Lock Stock and Two smoking barrels" another fine movie ignored.
a
- Monday, February 21, 2005 at 05:22:51 (EST)
where is L.A confidential and The usual suspects . these 2 movies
definitly desverve a place on this list
*
- Monday, February 21, 2005 at 04:58:06 (EST)
pete,
what would be your plans for reworking the list to be the "greatest"
as opposed to what you consider it to be doing at the moment?
pave
- Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 22:58:45 (EST)
"Reservoir Dogs" doesn't belong on the list? That's your only
complaint? Hell, I say AT LEAST 85% of the above list is a joke. I
proposed to the moderator that we work on a complete revision that
aspires towards the "greatest," but he hasn't responded thus far.
Pete
- Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 18:37:56 (EST)
Eww, I hate this list. Oh well...
Move Dr. Strangelove down and Full Metal Jacket up. Reservoir Dogs
should not be on this list. Persona should be moved higher, so should
the Seventh Seal. The Godfather shouldn't even be in the top five IMO.
Bob
- Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 15:42:42 (EST)
How come if it's easily arguable the Part II of the Godfather is
better than Part I, part II is number 18? Seems VERIWEIRD to me...
Unlinkingly
- Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 10:41:59 (EST)
CHRIS!! The best shootout in Reservoir Dogs?? What?? Firstly, I must
say how much I love that movie, I think it's pure incredibility -
absolutely amazing from a first-and-a-half-time director, which I
think is the coolest thing ever. But the shootout is not better than
The Spaghetti Western Holy Grail. It's a nice stand-off in Dogs, but
it's because of Good, Bad and Ugly that it's in there. Mr Blonde IS
Blondie. You can't say Dogs' one surpasses the other because, without
it, Dogs wouldn't have one - or it'd have a far less superior one to
the one it now has and the one Good, Bad and Ugly has. Tarantino is
so groovy.
Limanescentino
- Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 10:41:07 (EST)
Hey, Yutriglé, you don't know shit about Van Damme. Who are you to
say he's got a small brain? You don't know shit you fucking asshole.
This guy's such a motherfucker. Why don't you go bury yourself in a
fucking hole you piece of shit. You obviously think highly of
yourself to compare yourself to Van Damme.
Tony
- Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 10:36:04 (EST)
first of all, pete is sick, seek medical attendance, where are all
the great Van Dammemovies?????? hes a GREAT actor, definitly better
than Olivier. Id put "Cyborg" and "Desert heat" at top ten.
rolph
Lille, France - Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 21:31:02 (EST)
Passion of the Christ! #1
liudbd
- Friday, February 18, 2005 at 23:40:45 (EST)
i miss some van damme movies on this list, porhaps "sudden death"
would be a top 50 alternative??
jean-claude francois camille van varenberg
- Friday, February 18, 2005 at 19:28:27 (EST)
David Lynch Wannabe - If you don't think my list is more
representative of "greatness" in cinema than the above, than I must
conclude that you know ZILCH about the medium.
My rankings were pretty hastily put together, as I don't think very
much of the idea of ranking in the first place. The #1 could just as
well be #24 and likewise, were my list ignoring my personal biases,
so I wouldn't take Kubrick's 1968 opus at #1 to mean very much.
Pete
- Friday, February 18, 2005 at 19:27:45 (EST)
Pavlo
"Armeggedon is one the best films" SAY WHAT???!!! Are you f-cking
kidding me? Armaggedon is one the worst films ever, it belongs on
that list. you need to start wathcing some real movies pavlo, one's
with little things called good scripts, orginal themes, great
performances, and, ph yeah, and a little something called A PLOT!! All
of which Armeggeddon falls extremely short of. I can't believe you
even said that. If a real movie critic read that comment they would
right this site and it's readers right off before any firther reading.
K-Dog
- Friday, February 18, 2005 at 18:03:40 (EST)
Pete
You're list is even crappier than the main one. If that's your
favorite list, fine, everyone is entitled to their own preferences,
but it is certainly NOT representative of the "GREATEST" films of all-
time. I mean SPace oddessy number one? come on!
David Lynch
- Friday, February 18, 2005 at 17:57:25 (EST)
Just to make sure that there's no confusion, the 90s movies I listed
should be either on the list or higher than they presently are (A-hist-
x, pulp fiction, raiders of the lost ark, the ususal suspects,
momento, amalie, city of god, requim for a dream, momento, goodfellas,
american beauty, amadeus, fight club, forest gump and of
course...muholland dr).
David Lynch
- Friday, February 18, 2005 at 17:51:46 (EST)
Pave
Sorry about the confusion. I actually didn't even check for american
history x, I just noticed it wasn't in the top 120 films or so and
concluded that he should be 'higher'. Now that I know it isn't even
the top 150, I am really disgusted. As for the recent films (ie:
after 1960) sure more than half on the entire list are after 1960, but
there seems to be a bias in the higher rankings (likely because they
haven't preved the test of time yet) and an extremely few amount of
movies from the 80s and 90s (which produced some of the greatest films
ever...you've got the token shindler's list, shawshank and raging
bull, but what about A-hist-x, pulp fiction, raiders of the lost ark,
the ususal suspects, momento, amalie, city of god, requim for a dream,
momento, goodfellas, american beauty, amadeus, fight club, forest gump
and of course...muholland dr). If you want to argue that they are too
recent, fine, but really, if this is the is supposed to represent the
greatest movies ever, they should include some newer films and not
just films from 1950-1974). As for seven samurai, it should stil be
higher than it is right now, it is easily in the top five...
1. Casablanca
2. godfather
3. Seven Samurai
4. On the Waterfront
5. Citizen Kane (don't put this one first just cuz AFI did..it's
excellent for certain, but the first 4 on this list are better in
script, performance, and influence, the filmography is the only
advantage that C-Kane might have)
David Lynch
- Friday, February 18, 2005 at 17:48:31 (EST)
Rio Bravo if its not already up there
Callahan
- Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 19:33:53 (EST)
Ill agree the best shootout is in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
Clanton
- Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 16:41:20 (EST)
Pave, I hate to be such a nuisance, but don't you think it's possible
that we could put together a complete revision of the above list?
With all due respect, it's in pretty awful shape at the moment.
People wanting to explore cinema are going to find the above very
misleading, as it's biased towards Oscar winners and self-
congratulatory Hollywood crap (and a few bizarre cult favorites, I
might add).
Pete
- Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 09:59:37 (EST)
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