Comments on the top 100 greatest Songs of the '50s.
September 5, 2005 thru February 06, 2007. |
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Earl, "Torture" was by Kris Jensen.
Bruce
- Tuesday, February 06, 2007 at 01:19:02 (EST)
"Little Star" was by the Elegants.
Bruce
- Tuesday, February 06, 2007 at 01:18:25 (EST)
Rosalee, the songs you mention are on the top 100s for
their respective years here on the site. You can get to
them here:
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songs50-69.html
Bruce
- Tuesday, February 06, 2007 at 01:17:52 (EST)
I'm 62 and music is the only connection that keeps me fairly
accurate timewise. In the 6th grade '56 on or around I
remember 'Short,Shorts-by the Royal Teens. 26'miles- and my
favorite was Rumble by Link Ray. These among many others not
on your list were on the jute boxes back then. Of course my
location may have something to do with it. I from Kokmo In.
I listened to WLS Chicago most of the time. Also in 58 or 59
was Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star. Don't remember the group.
Rosalee Smith
Indianapolis, IN United States - Sunday, February 04, 2007 at 19:46:07 (EST)
can you give me a good web site to download some 50's and
early 60's songs---also looking for a 1-hit wonder called
torture back around 60 to 65
earl cobb
- Saturday, February 03, 2007 at 22:28:58 (EST)
kay, we really need to get Mellow Yellow- Donovan on this
list
sexy high bitch
- Saturday, February 03, 2007 at 22:00:59 (EST)
Phil Greenlees, Did you find the words to the 1950s song
that went....I had a girlfriend her name was Joanne....
if so please tell where to find the lyrics. Thanks
Bill Smedley
Picture Rocks, pa - Tuesday, January 30, 2007 at 20:01:25 (EST)
I have been looking for 48 years for a song recorded
between 1952 and 1954,that was on the flip side of a 45
record. I don't know the title of the popular song or the
flip side song, but my husband and I know every word of
the song I'm looking for: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,,
Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday I love you. January,
February, into March and April same way too. May, June,
and July; I never let a day go by, without a kiss for you
to remember just in case you go away in August or
September, in October and November, not to mention cold
December, I love you. Every single second, every Minute
every hour, all the whole year through - Monday, Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday - I love
you! (PLEASE HELP!!!!!)
Joan & Gordie
Nokomis, FL USA - Tuesday, January 30, 2007 at 15:34:27 (EST)
Phil, there were a couple of songs named "Jo-Ann."
One by the Playmates and one by the Twin Tones. Not sure
which one is the one that you want.
Bruce
- Monday, January 29, 2007 at 23:51:09 (EST)
I'm looking for a song called "Happiness" in the 1950s I'm
not sure who the artist is
kathy
cupertino, ca usa - Saturday, January 27, 2007 at 14:46:54 (EST)
I am looking for a song that came out in the 50"s called
Joanne, it was played on American Band Stand, and was on
the 45's records.I do not know who the Artist was, Im
looking for that record. The song went this way. I had a
girlfriend her name was joanne, and if you saw her you'd
understand joanne, and at the end of the song, the last
word was joanne.
Phil Greenlees
Houston, Texas - Wednesday, January 24, 2007 at 18:09:19 (EST)
I am looking for a song which repeats: I think I love her.
I am pretty sure is around 50's or early 60's
Monica
New York, NY USA - Friday, January 19, 2007 at 12:07:30 (EST)
Marie, "James Hold The Ladder Steady" is by Sue Thompson.
Bruce
- Thursday, January 18, 2007 at 02:57:24 (EST)
I am looking for a song with the words honest darling
beleive me your my every thing
Thomas Jacobini
coatesville , Pa. - Tuesday, January 16, 2007 at 09:45:01 (EST)
Can you tell me who sang James James Hold the Ladder
Steady, female artist, English I think. having a
competition with friends.
Marie calder
Nelson, New Zealand - Tuesday, January 16, 2007 at 04:22:55 (EST)
Cindy, that is the correct title and it's by Darlene Love,
from 1963.
Bruce
- Friday, January 12, 2007 at 11:15:09 (EST)
In the movie Father of the Bride, theres a song " today I
met the boy Im going to marry:. Is that the name? and/or
who sings it?
cindy
phoenixville, pa - Thursday, January 11, 2007 at 11:25:07 (EST)
Mallory, I think the song is "Ain't That Right" by Eddie
Snow.
Bruce
- Wednesday, January 10, 2007 at 12:55:52 (EST)
There's a song in the movie "Walk the Line" where jaquoin
pheonix (johnny cash) fist puts on a black shirt in front
of his wife and she says he looks like he's going to a
funeral and he says "maybe i am" for the first time, and
then walks out the door infront of a bunch of old vintage
classic cars up along side the road, and he's carrying a
breif case..and there's a song playing. does anyone know
what song that is?! I think it says the year's suppose to
be 1955, if that helps at all..
Mallory
Andover, New Jersey U.S. - Wednesday, January 03, 2007 at 21:25:49 (EST)
I am looking for a 50's song with the words, "Im in seventh heaven...." in it's
chorus.... I had it as a song as a teenager and can't seem to find it again.
Please could you help me.
Kind regards
Sheree Harris
Sheree Harris
Perth, W A Australia - Sunday, December 31, 2006 at 08:18:54 (EST)
who play the song
named ...............eloisa .....o my
eloisa ....thanks.............tinomole@hotmail.com
faustinomoguel
grand rapids , mi usa - Tuesday, December 19, 2006 at 21:09:32 (EST)
No question. Just a super sincere THANKS for this site!
roger
- Sunday, December 17, 2006 at 00:10:48 (EST)
Mark, "You Were Mine" is by the Fireflies
Bruce
- Thursday, December 14, 2006 at 22:19:10 (EST)
Do you remember a song called (I think) "You Were Mine"? I
always liked that song but can't remember the artist.
Mark
Mark levin
- Thursday, December 14, 2006 at 08:30:44 (EST)
Angelo,
the song is "SHOUT" (part 1) by The Isley Brothers
released on the RCA label in 1959
"now wait a minute" is the end of side A,
because the B side was called "shout" (part 2)
hope this helps
Duncan Stanbridge
Bournemouth, England - Friday, December 08, 2006 at 21:21:45 (EST)
i`m looking for a song ,from the movie the wanderers. the
song that i`m looking for is when they were in school
coming out to play football. the only words that i
remember is now wait a minute. can you please tell me the
song title. thank you
ANGELO RODRIGUEZ
BROOKLYN, NY USA - Friday, December 08, 2006 at 16:51:10 (EST)
The first song that Elvis recorded was "My Happiness" in
1953, a private record for his mother, it was finally
released to the public in 1992.
Bruce
- Thursday, December 07, 2006 at 15:20:38 (EST)
what was elvis's verry first recorded song
........
- Wednesday, December 06, 2006 at 21:37:35 (EST)
what 50's song start with 96
Kzy
San Antonio, tx - Wednesday, December 06, 2006 at 14:37:24 (EST)
Rob,
"Just Like Eddie" was recorded by a singer called Heinz
Burt, but who is referred to on the record simply
as "Heinz".
Mark
Aberdeen, Scotland UK - Tuesday, November 28, 2006 at 03:04:17 (EST)
Ginny, "You Baby You" is by the Cleftones. The Excellents
version was not a hit, it was the flip side of "Coney
Island Baby."
The Duprees song you are referring to is "My Own True Love."
Bruce
- Monday, November 27, 2006 at 18:23:01 (EST)
John Kuse and the Excellents made a hit of "You Baby You"
but who recorded it first???
The Duprees sang Tara's Theme but what is another name for
this song?
My friends and I are going crazy trying to figure this out.
Thank you.
Ginny
Manorville, New York USA - Monday, November 27, 2006 at 08:22:46 (EST)
Hi, I'm looking to find out who sang the song called, 'Just
like Eddy'
Here's hoping you can help.
Rob
Bournemouth, Dorset England - Sunday, November 26, 2006 at 13:50:33 (EST)
Chris, could also be "Last Kiss" by J. Frank Wilson and
the Cavaliers and covered by Wednesday and Pearl Jam.
Dave
Toronto, Canada - Saturday, November 25, 2006 at 21:23:12 (EST)
Chris, sounds like "Teen Angel" by Mark Dining.
Bruce
- Saturday, November 25, 2006 at 01:24:22 (EST)
Patsy, "Send Me Some Lovin'" is by Little Richard, it's #
90 on this list.
Bruce
- Saturday, November 25, 2006 at 01:23:52 (EST)
Thanks for your help! I think that's it! Happy Thanksgiving!
--Chris T
Chris
Lincoln, NE USA - Thursday, November 23, 2006 at 12:27:35 (EST)
chris t, i think the song is teen angle: it goes something
like' THAT FAITFUL NITE THE CAR WAS STALLED UPON THE RAIL
ROAD TRACK, I PULLED YOU OUT AND WE WERE SAVED BUT YOU
WENT RUNNING BACK----SO ON & SO ON ---THEY FOUND MY HIGH
SCHOOL RING CLUTCHED IN YOUR FINGERS TIGHT & SO ON --SO ON
CECE
PINK HILL, NC - Wednesday, November 22, 2006 at 19:46:08 (EST)
I am looking for the lyrics of a great old song about a guy
who was driving his car, went off the road, killed his
girlfriend and he survived. And he would love her forever
until they could be together again. I can't think of the
name of this song or who performed it. It was a 50's or
early 60's song. Can you help me? Thanks!
Chris T
Lincoln, Nebraska USA - Monday, November 20, 2006 at 23:51:53 (EST)
does any one know who sang the song send me some loving ?
patsy king
waxahachie, texas ellis - Thursday, November 16, 2006 at 15:47:22 (EST)
all i have to do is dream at 89 who made this list slap
him im 22 and know that song is top 5 at least
matt
- Tuesday, November 14, 2006 at 02:29:37 (EST)
Sandy, "At Last" is by Etta James, it's from 1960.
Bruce
- Sunday, October 29, 2006 at 19:55:59 (EST)
I really need help with this. over a year ago i was
traveling back home and as i was driving by the rock and
roll hall of fame there was a radio station that was
playing hits from the rock and roll hall of fame or
something and this song was from iether the 1940s 50s or
60s but i think it was the 50s but ever since then i have
been trying to find out what the whole song is.. the only
lyrics i can think of or remember is "the men in white
coats are coming to get us" they also said something about
a forest i think and the music was all trippy kind of and
really strange but this song was pretty good and it has
been driving me insane ever since if anyone could help i
would be soo grateful. oyu could email me at
tasteofink1542@yahoo.com or IM me on AIM .. m0deerf2zo04
anything to let me know what this song is...also you could
just post another thing on here but please and thank you
Amanda
NY - Sunday, October 29, 2006 at 11:04:20 (EST)
NEED TO KNOW WHO SING THE SONG THAT WAS IN THE 50'S?AT LAST
Sandy Myers
Baxter, TN U.S.A. - Thursday, October 26, 2006 at 20:13:26 (EDT)
hey all i've got bits and pieces of a song poppin in my
head and i can't remember you sang it or the name of the
song.
it's a bout a guy and his girl, squeling tires in the rain
and she's dying.. can anybody help with this?
Varshanka@yahoo.com
Raymond
- Wednesday, October 25, 2006 at 21:55:10 (EDT)
Rock and Roll is such a good type of music to listen to!
Its nice to listen to it when u wake up go to bed,
partying, driving. i just love it! i always listen 106.1,
Music is my life! I LOVE ROCK AND ROLL! Louella .....
buzzed times
Little Frayner
SF, Ontario Canada bitches! f-in' eh! - Tuesday, October 17, 2006 at 13:53:37 (EDT)
Lenny, there was a hit song in 1959 called "Robbin' The
Cradle" by Tony Bellus.
Bruce
- Saturday, October 14, 2006 at 01:21:55 (EDT)
SISTERS WAS SUNG BY "THE ANDREW SISTERS" IN THE U.S.A/
AND BY "THE BEVERLY SISTERS IN BRITAIN
LEGEND
DYMCHURCH, KENT ENGLAND - Friday, October 13, 2006 at 04:43:13 (EDT)
Looking for the singers who sang the song "Sister or
Sisters" probably in the 50s or 60s
Lucille Gross
Cleveland, Ohio - Thursday, October 12, 2006 at 23:37:05 (EDT)
In the 60's - 70's There was a C&;W song with the Lyric
Lines The Say I'm Robbing The Cradle Is it Strange for True
love to be so young?
Do you know the name of the song & the Singer?
Thank you,
Lenny Waller
Lenny Waller
Bronx, NY USA - Tuesday, October 10, 2006 at 15:21:22 (EDT)
Eric, sounds like a misprint.
Bruce
- Saturday, October 07, 2006 at 00:42:50 (EDT)
Bruce,
I think the song charted in 1950 so I'm posting this here...
Wynonie Harris' "I Like My Baby's Pudding" I have seen
listed on tracklistings as "I Won't Like My Baby's Pudding."
Is this a horrible misprint or are they two different tunes?
Eric
"E"
WI USA - Wednesday, October 04, 2006 at 14:27:12 (EDT)
nevermind, I found it, it was "Let Me In" by the Sensations
Greg McCormack
Mississauga, Ontario Canada - Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 15:04:43 (EDT)
I have been searching the net like crazy. I heard a song
on the rady the other day, it was a very fast paced song
from the 50's that started out with "we ooo we we ooo" it
has to be the must addictive song I have ever heard. If
my ears serverd me right it sounded like a woman singing.
Can Someone PLEEEEEEEASE Help!!!!!
Greg McCormack
Mississauga, Ontario Canada - Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 01:06:30 (EDT)
Megan, "You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth" is by
Meat Loaf from the 1970s.
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 00:09:22 (EDT)
Madeline:
You are referring to one of the Diamonds big hits, "Little
Darlin'" The bass singer uses those words when he talks in
the middle of the song. Was a big hit for them.
JayBee
Owensboro, KY UA - Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 16:01:16 (EDT)
who sang the song "YOU" from the 50's?
Rarry
Dunnellon, Florida USA - Tuesday, September 19, 2006 at 11:21:41 (EDT)
U TOOK THE WORDS RITE OUTTA MY MOUTH........WHOS SINGS IT
MEGAN
MEGANS VILE, I AM GAY.COM - Monday, September 18, 2006 at 21:17:16 (EDT)
IS ANY OF THEESE PEOPLR STILL ALIVE N SINGLE???
SUSIE
PARKES, NSW - Monday, September 18, 2006 at 21:15:24 (EDT)
WATS YOUR NAME
KYTIE
SYDNI, QLD - Monday, September 18, 2006 at 21:14:26 (EDT)
who wrote and sung " purple people eater "
andy
white plains, new york - Monday, September 18, 2006 at 11:27:11 (EDT)
HELLO STACEY
THE SONG YOUR TRYING TO REMEMBER IS ACTUALLY CALLED
"QUARTER TO THREE" BY GARY U.S.BONDS
A HIT IN 1961
TERRY
KENT ENGLAND - Thursday, September 14, 2006 at 03:39:41 (EDT)
Hello, do you know the name of a song that has the lyrics "Don't you know
that I danced (I danced) till a quarter of 3"? I'm going crazy trying to find it.
Thanks, Stacy
Stacy Rodriguez
key west, FL USA - Wednesday, September 13, 2006 at 23:41:34 (EDT)
Laurel, you're talking about "Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow" by the
Rivingtons, and the song that was a re-working of
that, "Surfin' Bird" by the Trashmen.
Bruce
- Tuesday, September 05, 2006 at 21:27:06 (EDT)
Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone knows the name of a song that has
the words (or something like it)
"Have you heard the word about the bird". And who
performed it?
Laurel
- Monday, September 04, 2006 at 14:38:02 (EDT)
Sarah, that was it! Many thanks-
Carolynn
- Monday, August 28, 2006 at 00:34:22 (EDT)
Carolynn,
The only thing I can think of is "Doll House" by Donnie
Brooks. That was definitely early 1960s.
I'll check my collection for it!
Sarah
UK - Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 12:24:46 (EDT)
Hi,
I'm looking for a doowop song from the 50's (probably '54 or
'55). I don't have the title right, something about "up on
the mountain," and partial lyrics:
"darling, my little darling, please love me."
I looked at the list above and, although I recognized almost
all of them, nothing seemed to be the right one. Thanks
Madeline
New York,, NY - Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 10:45:56 (EDT)
I am looking for a song "I'll Build A Doll House" popular
aroung 1960-61...I'm not sure who performs it but the song
is a fav of my parents and I would like to surprise them.
Any help you could offer is appreciated
Carolynn
Washington USA - Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 00:23:55 (EDT)
HI COURTNEY
I ALSO LOVE RITCHIE VALENS, I HAVE ALL HIS RECORDS AND
A DVD FILM OF HIS LIFE STORY CALLED "LA BAMBA"
GLAD TO SEE YOU'VE GOT GOOD TASTE
SHAKIN'
DYMCHURCH, KENT ENGLAND - Thursday, August 17, 2006 at 05:23:11 (EDT)
hi i am 16 and love the 50s and Ritchie Valens he was my
fav um i just want to know who else like him?
Courtney Conway
Perth, WA Australia - Thursday, August 17, 2006 at 02:06:55 (EDT)
We are having our 50th reunion and dance in October.
Where is the place you would recomend that I might
purchase these top 100 to download on a CD? Do you know
where I might find a short bio on the artist(s)? Thanks
for your help. Charlie Bussey lcbussey@sbcglobal.net
Charlie Bussey POBox 658
Center, Tx 75935 USA - Wednesday, August 16, 2006 at 14:36:01 (EDT)
HI DONNA
FRANKIE LYMON AND THE TEENAGERS HAD A HIT WITH
"BABY BABY" IN 1957.
SHAKIN'
DYMCHURCH, KENT ENGLAND - Monday, August 14, 2006 at 02:10:35 (EDT)
looking for a title and artist of song.. I think late 50;s
maybe 60's
baby bay please come back to me, sound alittle like a
frankie lyman tune..anyone know who it is...
Donna
brick, nj - Sunday, August 13, 2006 at 22:12:16 (EDT)
craig douglas got to no.9 inthe u.k. with "time"
i have the record so i can get the words if you still want
them
shakin'
dymchurch, kent england - Friday, August 11, 2006 at 03:21:33 (EDT)
DEON,
Unfortunately not, Deon - did however have one lead that
said the artist was CRAIG DOUGLAS, but have not been able
to confirm whether his was the original or a cover
version, nor have I been able to get the whole lyrics...
but they're out there somewhere!!!
CHARLES
Sydney, - Saturday, August 05, 2006 at 00:15:51 (EDT)
I have also been looking for the lyrics of the
song "Time". Christine Bate from Wigan and Charles from
Sydney, have either of you been successful?
Deon
Uitenhage, Eastern Cape South Africa - Friday, August 04, 2006 at 08:27:47 (EDT)
The Spiders were on the Imperial label.
Bruce
- Friday, August 04, 2006 at 03:30:09 (EDT)
Courtney' " You're The One" was recorded by The Spiders, I
think on the Atlantic label.
Roy
Dublin, TX - Wednesday, August 02, 2006 at 15:05:57 (EDT)
CHRISTINE BATE from WIGAN - Last year in April you posted
a question about "Much more than time" and who sang it.
I've been busting a blood vessel trying to find out the
same answer without success - did you ever find out??
Please respond if you did...anyone else also please - the
lyrics (out of sequence) contain:
Time can make the flowers grow
time can melt the icy snow
time can make a mountain disappear from view
But to make me forget your love
It's gonna ta a a a ke much more than time...
much more than time.
If anyone one can name the performer I would be very
grateful - thanks!
My e-mail: ovadia@bigpond.net.au
Charles
Sydney, Australia - Saturday, July 29, 2006 at 10:00:52 (EDT)
Does anyone know what this is called and who sang it? The
lyrics that I can remember are:-
"I'm starved of affection, I need some romance, I want you
my darling to give me a chance, I'm hungry for your love."
Amanda B
Warks, UK - Friday, July 28, 2006 at 15:07:59 (EDT)
Virginia, "A White Sport Coat" was by Marty Robbins from
1957.
Bruce
- Friday, July 14, 2006 at 03:03:21 (EDT)
Do you know who sang the song that contains the line "a
white sports coat and a pink carnation..."
Virginia
San Francisco, CA USA - Wednesday, July 12, 2006 at 22:31:03 (EDT)
"Pour me a glass of teardrops" by Billy Williams
Where does it rank?
drbob1955@comcast.net
amelia island, florida usa - Tuesday, July 11, 2006 at 17:41:16 (EDT)
Good Morning; I swim with the aquabelles in Green Valley
and our show this year is on the 50's . Do you know of a
good song that's about 3 min. long that has a good swim
beat to it? Please help. thanks.
Karen
Green Valley, Az - Thursday, July 06, 2006 at 13:00:58 (EDT)
. What'd I Say - Ray Charles (mostly soul artist)?????? I
don't think he should be in the list ,and Gene Vincent's Be
Bop A Lula deserves to be on 13th place ,i cant think of a
more influential song than Be Bop A Lula
safa
- Friday, June 23, 2006 at 16:39:08 (EDT)
Hello Andrea,
We met at the Richard Nader Concert 6/17/06 I was
singing with The Cameos. I just wanted to check out the
website and found it to be most entertaining.Please
remember the late Joey Canzano, Joe Santollo and Mike
Arnone.Also Tommy Bialoglow and John Salvato. For these are
The "Original Duprees" Tom Bialoglow, Top Tenor Org. Duprees
Tom Bialoglow-Tom 467Dupree.com
Harrison, N. J. Hudson - Monday, June 19, 2006 at 14:48:23 (EDT)
Rose, it could be "Robbin' The Cardle" by Tony Bellus.
Bruce
- Friday, June 09, 2006 at 09:07:06 (EDT)
They say I'm Robbing The Cradle Little Darling, becaus
I've fallen in love with you. This is the first line of a
song I've been trying desperatelly to find ??? Who's it
by???
Rose Whiteley
Atwood, Ontario Canada - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 at 22:46:28 (EDT)
Jerry Rain had "our teenage love", which i think is one of
the best records in the fifties ever made. Could you tell
me what esle did he record. THANK YOU:
BUCK9209@AOL.COM
Kenner, LOUISIANA - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 at 11:24:36 (EDT)
I am trying to find a song called "You are the one". It was
my parents wedding song in 1956. Please help!!
thannks
Courtney
Ridgewood, NJ - Sunday, June 04, 2006 at 09:29:09 (EDT)
Melly, I fail to hear any soul in any solo records that
Cooke did until about 1962. Before that he was too busy
trying to appeal to Whitey, with drivel like "Only Sixteen"
and "Everybody Likes To Cha-Cha." "You Send Me" at # 55 is
fine.
Bruce
- Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 19:54:04 (EDT)
"Bald Head" by Roy Byrd, on Federal Records, was released
in 1950.
Bruce
- Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 19:50:21 (EDT)
Just one more thing I forgot to throw in there:
22 Bald Head Roy Byrd (Professor Longhair)
I could have sworn this was released in 1949 or I may be
at fault. Great record.
Melly
- Monday, April 17, 2006 at 18:19:33 (EDT)
Bruce, I've seen the second page. My argument was for
those songs I've mentioned to be in the top 100 of your
list. I think you're missing the part that rock and roll
in its infancy was important as well inwhich there would
be no "mainstream rock and roll in the mid '50s" if not
for that, your words. Here's what I'd probably have the
top 10 looking like:
1. Johnny B. Goode
2. Jailhouse Rock
3. Rock Around the Clock
4. Tutti Frutti
5. What'd I Say?
6. Great Balls of Fire
7. Hound Dog *including Thornton
8. That'll Be the Day
9. Blue Suede Shoes
10. Bo Diddley
I'll agree I overvalued "The Fat Man". However, it seems
to be a rocking record to me as much as Carter's "Rock
Awhile". I think you're underrating "You Send Me" because
of your degradation to such a masterpeice. Think about it -
a gospel legend crossing over and paving the path for
Aretha Franklin and the Staple Singers who have
acknowledged his influence in "crossing over". For Ray
now, it was easier for him to rework gospel songs because
from the very inception of his career he wasn't an
exclusive gospel singer, never was. Although Ray is more
talented and took soul to amazing heights, I'd also have
to say Cooke here plays an important role to this music as
well, and "You Send Me" was pivotal in the music's
creation. I'm not an African American woman, but I do have
African American friends who experienced those times as
soul music was developing.
Melly
- Monday, April 17, 2006 at 18:16:35 (EDT)
Melly, first of all, you obviously have not looked at page
2 of this list, which contains songs # 101 through # 200.
Click on the icon at the bottom of the list, just below the
black and white pictures, where it says "50s songs
continued 101-200."
There is no way the "The Fat Man" is the greatest rock and
roll song of the 1950s, assuming that you even believe that
it is rock and roll, which is debatable. The song is on the
second part of the list. There is also a Ruth Brown song
there. In my opinion it would be revisionist history to
overly compensate for the fact that R & B in the early 50s
was only known by a small segment of the population. "The
Fat Man" and any song you can name by Ruth Brown just don't
have the same level of significance as things
like "Jailhouse Rock" and "Johnny B. Goode," and many of
the other huge hits of the mid to late 50s, when rock and
roll had become the mainstream music of the day.
I don't think much of "You Send Me" personally.....with the
pop chorus and the lame instrumentation, it may have well
have been sung by Pat Boone, but I do reecognize that
others disagree with that viewpoint.
As for obscure songs with the Bo Diddley beat, Paul Simon
also used the Bo Diddley beat for his 1962 Tico & The
Triumphs single "Wild Flower" on Amy 835. If you want to
find others, I'm sure a Google search will bring you to a
list somewhere.
Bruce
- Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 12:06:02 (EDT)
Where's "The Fat Man" by Fats Domino? That should be #1.
No Ruth Brown? She was the Queen of R&;B. The Chords,
Brenston, Cooke, and Dominoes seem too low.
What obscure songs used the Bo Diddley beat?
Melly
- Friday, April 14, 2006 at 04:46:57 (EDT)
Fritz, "At The Hop" was released in 1957, and was on
theBillboard pop charts for 21 weeks.
Bruce
- Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 12:34:09 (EDT)
Regarding: 'At The Hop' by Danny and The Juniors in
your '50s list at 91... When did it come out and how long
was it on the charts?
Thanks...
Fritz Hager
Lafayette, IN - Sunday, April 09, 2006 at 22:51:48 (EDT)
Lucille, "Ya-Ya" was by Lee Dorsey, from 1961.
Bruce
- Sunday, April 09, 2006 at 09:57:42 (EDT)
Who sang, "sitting with my ya ya (or yah yah), waiting for
my ya ya
Lucille Bello
BROOKLYN, NY USA - Thursday, April 06, 2006 at 16:59:11 (EDT)
Who sang, time to make the flowers grow, time to make the
sun grow cold, time to make a miracle what time can do,
but you make me forget your love, you try to make me
forget your love but it will take much more than time much
more than time
Christine Bate
WIGAN, LANCASHIRE UNITED KINGDOM - Monday, April 03, 2006 at 06:01:56 (EDT)
how about connie francis-stupid cupid
zoran
novi sad, serbia - Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 15:46:01 (EST)
"A Rose And A Baby Ruth" was by George Hamilton IV, from
1956.
Bruce
- Monday, March 20, 2006 at 19:45:40 (EST)
who was the artist that sang a rose and a babby ruth?the
song was from the 50's
jonedvette@aol.com
rio rancho, nm. usa - Sunday, March 19, 2006 at 12:49:12 (EST)
Don, the song you want sounds like "Hello Stranger" by
Barbara Lewis (and the Dells) from 1963.
Bruce
- Monday, March 13, 2006 at 09:36:35 (EST)
Irene, there was "Just Because" by Lloyd Price from 1957.
Bruce
- Monday, March 13, 2006 at 09:35:47 (EST)
who sand Tonight
gary@charet.com
- Saturday, March 11, 2006 at 23:01:01 (EST)
what song has the lyrics sha bop sha bop my baby oooooo
don chase
spokane, wa usa - Saturday, March 11, 2006 at 13:30:26 (EST)
I am searching for the name of a group in the 50"s that
sang a song called Just Because????
Irene Imhof
Yorba Linda, California USA - Saturday, March 11, 2006 at 02:41:53 (EST)
Bruce,
Thanks for your reply re Night Train - and also a huge pat
on the back for a GREAT website! I found you thru Google
and entered the site on this page. It wasn't till after I
posted my query that I found all the rest of the site!
Really impressive. Thanks much
Bob Kessler
Wellington, New Zealand - Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 20:36:49 (EST)
Bob, the "Night Train" that you want might be the Rusty
Bryant version, which was called "All Night Long." It came
out a year or two after the Jimmy Forrest, which is the
original, and by far the biggest hit version in the 50s.
Freed also played a lot of Sam "The Man" Taylor, Bog Al
Sears, Red Prysocvk, and other sax players who may have
done versions of the song. The Rusty Bryant is much faster
than the Jimmy Forrest, which is slow.
Bruce
- Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 18:27:31 (EST)
jc, call Ronnie I. at 973-365-0049, he can porobably tell
you something about Reminisce.
Bruce
- Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 18:24:43 (EST)
I'm looking for the artist who performed a version of
Night Train played on Alan Freeds show on New York City's
WINS radio in the mid/late 1950's. I've found versions by
King Curtis, Bill Doggett and Jimmy Forrest on Amazon.com
but none sound like the 'original' I heard every night
back then!
Bob Kessler
Wellington, New Zealand - Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 03:14:39 (EST)
What ever happened to Jimmy Clanton...I just saw him in a
movie on AMC and it was called "Go Johnny Go!" it was
really a a history lesson in early rock.Chuck Berry was in
it and was very young as well as the famous DJ Alan Freed.
Sure it was corny but it was the roots of rock and the
performances by Sandra Stewart and Jackie Wilson were
fantastic!
P.S. Burrus
Mason, OH USA - Saturday, January 14, 2006 at 20:13:59 (EST)
heard a band from north jersey call reminisce, best i ever
heard doing all the old group male and female... lost
their card can you help me out...
jc
brick, nj - Saturday, January 14, 2006 at 14:36:25 (EST)
I am looking for the song trying to get to new orleans by
the tractors
sonny
ar usa - Saturday, January 07, 2006 at 09:49:24 (EST)
Nathan, aside from the 200 songs listed here, you can look
at the the top 100s for each year of the 50s on the main
page.
Bruce
- Tuesday, January 03, 2006 at 13:48:14 (EST)
Back in the fifties what were some of the most popular
songs in the United States.
Nathan
Eugene, Oregon United States - Sunday, January 01, 2006 at 19:15:05 (EST)
Amanda, don't know any song from around 1950 that is
called "Blue." There certainly was not any hit record
around that time with that title.
Bruce
- Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 01:29:51 (EST)
my grandma said her favorite song was called Blue, do you know who
sang that song in 1950?
Amanda
Orlando, FL United States - Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 01:11:34 (EST)
Sonny, "Slippin' And Slidin" was a hit by Little Richard in
1956. It was actually a cover of a record called "I'm Wise"
by Eddie Bo, from the same year. Richard changed the title,
and sped the pace of the song up, but it's the same song.
Bruce
- Monday, December 12, 2005 at 22:53:31 (EST)
Who sang the song slipin an slidin
Sonny
pine bluff, ar usa - Sunday, December 11, 2005 at 10:30:29 (EST)
Without Doo Wop and early Rhythm & Blues there would have
been no rock & Roll. Rhythm & Blues was the inspiration for
the singing of Elvis.
Oldies Collector
Wisconsin - Friday, December 09, 2005 at 16:41:15 (EST)
Emma, "The Story Of My Life" was by Marty Robbins.
Bruce
- Thursday, December 01, 2005 at 04:34:24 (EST)
who sang the song story of my life in the 1950`s
emma salvatore
cardiff, uk wales - Sunday, November 27, 2005 at 17:41:56 (EST)
Anybody who wants to voice their opinion on the greatest
songs of the 1950s, I am running a page where you can enter
your ratings for hundreds of 1950s songs:
http://www.rateitall.com/t-20712-greatest-recordings-of-the-
1950s.aspx
Bruce
- Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 10:46:41 (EST)
If you were to go to see a live band, what would be your
top 3 rock & roll songs you would like to hear??
dazzyd
- Monday, October 24, 2005 at 13:47:47 (EDT)
markie, I think you mean "Hello Stranger" by Barbara Lewis
dfrom 1963. Those are the Dells providing the "shoo-bops"
in the background.
Bruce
- Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 09:52:50 (EDT)
does anyone knows who sings the song that goes like this:
shebop shebop my baby, shebop shebop my baby ooooo? i
know, not a good example but thats all i know and i'm like
in love with this song! a woman sings it, thats all i know
markie
- Wednesday, October 19, 2005 at 00:36:34 (EDT)
Jim, people like Andrea live in their own little insulated
worlds, and actually convince themselves of ridiculous
notions, such as the Harptones being as important as Elvis
Presley.
But yet, she thinks that I'm the one that should be put
into a straight jacket. It boggles the mind, doesn't it?
Bruce
- Friday, October 07, 2005 at 09:37:47 (EDT)
Andrea Siegel,
It's pretty obvious that the lists on DDD are objective
and not the editors' personal favorites. You're the one
who can't put personal taste aside, when you're saying
things like:
"""To me, The Harptones, The Five Keys, and The Spaniels
are just as important as Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, and
Little Richard."""
As if your opinion is more important than the rest of the
world. And then you go accusing people of being pompous
assholes...
Jim
- Friday, October 07, 2005 at 07:17:29 (EDT)
"""Didn't you say that the members keep voting for Dion &
The Belmonts but Ronnie has vowed to keep them out? Hell,
*I've* voted for them."""
Yes, check the uptempo doo-wop list for more on this.
Bruce
- Friday, October 07, 2005 at 02:36:12 (EDT)
**Not one white group is in the UGHA hall of fame,
with over 80 groups inducted now.**
Didn't you say that the members keep voting for Dion & The
Belmonts but Ronnie has vowed to keep them out? Hell,
*I've* voted for them.
Diane
NYC, - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 00:13:30 (EDT)
**Who's Susie Essman....is she the Susie character on "Curb
Your Enthusiasm?"**
What did you think, you four-eyed fuck?
Diane
NYC, - Friday, October 07, 2005 at 00:11:33 (EDT)
"""Check out the back and forth on Bruce's "Greatest
Uptempo
Doo-Wop Songs" page. Click below. Bruce is getting an
education.
Fran"""
Fran, so far I'm the teacher and Whiteberg is the pupil.
I've now sited a couple of different sources among vocal
group fans that show that there were no great white doo-wop
groups. Not one white group is in the UGHA hall of fame,
with over 80 groups inducted now.
Bruce
- Friday, October 07, 2005 at 00:07:40 (EDT)
Hi all:
Check out the back and forth on Bruce's "Greatest Uptempo
Doo-Wop Songs" page. Click below. Bruce is getting an
education.
Fran
Trenton, - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 20:22:00 (EDT)
Who's Susie Essman....is she the Susie character on "Curb
Your Enthusiasm?"
Bruce
- Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 19:35:44 (EDT)
Travis, Fats is alive.
Bruce
- Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 19:35:06 (EDT)
is Fats Domino dead or alive?
Travis Mercer
Newfoundland, Canada - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 19:24:47 (EDT)
Susie Essman couldn't have said it better!
Diane
- Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 18:45:06 (EDT)
"""Lists and surveys are great. They mean something when
based on facts. Anyone who has some knowledge of music can
make up their own list. When they are based on personal
opinions they are not valid. The list is purely the
opinion of the person who is compiling it. """
No it's not you fucking moron. There are criteria listed
above. My own personal list of favorites from the 50s is
vastly different from this list. The # 1 song on this list
is not even on my own personal top 100 of the 50s.
Here is the criteria:
Songs listed are from Rock and Roll and related sub-genres.
These songs are ranked based upon their intitial and
lasting popularity, as well as their influence and impact
on the evolution of Rock and Roll and its sub-genres. They
are compiled by the 'editor' using the stated criteria, and
revised considering the competent suggestions of visitors
to this website only.
"""It depends on who berates me """
So you admit you enjoy being berated and that you like the
attention.
"""Jim, mind your own business -stay out of it. """
Jim, ignore this cunt. You can get involved in this as much
as you want.
"""I have a life other than the computer, the internet, my
publication"""
You don't have a publication, remember?
"""Some of Steve Feinberg's comments are
hilarious."""
If you need a good laugh, just look in the mirror every so
often.
Bruce
- Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 12:13:28 (EDT)
Lists and surverys are great. They mean something when
based on facts. Anyone who has some knowledge of music can
make up their own list. When they are based on personal
opinions they are not valid. The list is purely the
opinion of the person who is compiling it. Jim, mind your
own business -stay out of it.
It depends on who berates me and coming from Bruce, it
is meaningless and very funny. I have a life other than the
computer, the internet, my publication, and Bruce's
website. As I stated before, when I need a break from
working on the Calendar, Grossberg's website is pure
entertainment. Some of Steve Feinberg's comments are
hilarious.
Andrea Siegel
Steten Island, NY - Thursday, October 06, 2005 at 10:28:28 (EDT)
****Like most women, Andrea enjoys being
berated....**** is the remark I was referring to. It
didn't paste in for some reason.
Diane
NYC, - Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 18:47:16 (EDT)
<>
Well, the sun has set over the Whitestone Bridge and I am
back on line, and I am struggling to squeeze into my Kitten
With A Whip costume to pay you back for that little
remark.
Diane
NYC, - Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 18:45:26 (EDT)
"""Andrea Siegel,
You obviously don't see much value in music lists and you
said that you regret wasting time on this website, still
you keep coming back. Do YOU have a life?
Jim"""
Good observation Jim. Like most women, Andrea enjoys being
berated....it's the only attention that she probably gets.
Bruce
- Tuesday, October 04, 2005 at 09:49:21 (EDT)
Andrea Siegel,
You obviously don't see much value in music lists and you
said that you regret wasting time on this website, still
you keep coming back. Do YOU have a life?
Jim
- Tuesday, October 04, 2005 at 09:42:27 (EDT)
"""Grossberg, So what do you do with your life other than
compile lists and make nasty comments to people who don't
agree with you """
I also make nasty comments to people who DO agree with me.
"""I'll make sure not to tune into
The Gup's program when you're on. """
I'm going to go on under a pseudonym so you won't even know
that it's me until after you rave about how great the show
was that night.
"""I don't think there is anything wrong with Andrea's last
name."""
Not surprising, I'm sure you think about weiner a lot.
""" Your peers must of had a field day with you """
I have no peers.
Bruce
- Monday, October 03, 2005 at 21:48:06 (EDT)
Grossberg, So what do you do with your life other than
compile lists and make nasty comments to people who don't
agree with you - obviously NOTHING. I'd say that's very
sad, but I guess you don't think so. My purpose in writing
something about The Beatles and The British Invasion was
first of all to stir you up and get a response. And I
accomplished what I started out to do. I didn't say that I
hated The Beatles (what's with your reading
comprehension???)just that they temporarily ended my music.
They were revolutionary, geniuses, incredibly talented and
deserve all the accolades they have received. You can't
argue with that Grossberg. I'll make sure not to tune into
The Gup's program when you're on. It's enough that I go on
your website. Why would I want to hear any of your nonsense
over the airwaves on a Friday night? One more thing. I
don't think there is anything wrong with Andrea's last
name. I highly doubt that there were any rank outs when she
was growing up but you with a name like Grossberg. Your
peers must of had a field day with you because you are
truly GROSS.
Andrea Siegel
Staten Island, NY US - Monday, October 03, 2005 at 20:38:31 (EDT)
"""you see a photo of Tony D. Why else would his picture be
there if he didn't own the publication??"""
Well it's certainly not because he looks good, so you may
have a point.
"""And don't you dare make any nasty remarks to Andrea
Weiner. She is a true oldies fan who supports the music
with her heart and soul"""
That last name must have been great for rankouts when she
was growing up.
"""And I listen to WMTR all the time. I LOVE the station.
However, I'm disappointed that they added Beatles
to their playlist, since that group kicked off the British
Invasion and killed off my beloved R&;B/doo wop/vocal group
harmony for several years."""
R & B was never killed off, just vocal group harmony, which
was better off dying already by late 1963. So you're a
Beatle hater, huh? Not surprising. MOST of you doo-
woppers have this misguided hate for the Beatles. This
misplaced anger at the greatest musical artist in history.
At least Steve hasn't fallen into that trap of blaming the
Beatles for the demise of doo-wops.
""". I also love The Golden Gup's
program on Friday nights. I tune in all the time."""
Stay tuned, I'll be up there as his guest eventually.
"""other than baseball and compiling all types of lists. do
you have a life???? """
What else is there?
What would you consider to be "having a life?"
If you mean do I wake up in the morning and leave for some
job, the answer is no. If you mean do I run around picking
up and dropping off kids, the answer is no.
Bruce
- Monday, October 03, 2005 at 17:19:55 (EDT)
Grossberg, Took a break from The Calendar to tell you once
again that the Concert Calendar is not mine. When you go to
our website - www.goldenoldiesforever.com - you see a photo
of Tony D. Why else would his picture be there if he didn't
own the publication?? Get with it Bruce. I thought you had
somewhat of a brain. And don't you dare make any nasty
remarks to Andrea Weiner. She is a true oldies fan who
supports the music with her heart and soul - no violins
please. And I listen to WMTR all the time. I LOVE the
station. However, I'm disappointed that they added Beatles
to their playlist, since that group kicked off the British
Invasion and killed off my beloved R&;B/doo wop/vocal group
harmony for several years. I also love The Golden Gup's
program on Friday nights. I tune in all the time. He's even
taken out ads in Tony D's publication. One question...
other than baseball and compiling all types of lists. do
you have a life????
Andrea Siegel
Staten Island, NY USA - Monday, October 03, 2005 at 15:22:44 (EDT)
"""If you would take the cotton out of your eyes and ears
and check out her publication FOR REAL, you would see
that. """
She "claims" that it's not her publication....is it, or
isn't it?
"""And so important is her publication, especially in the
post-June 3 era."""
You lost me with this one. What is the significance of June
3rd? Is that when CBS-FM stuck it up the asses of their
faithful listeners?
They already were not playing any doo-wops anymore long
before June 3rd.
You guys should leave that rathole city and come to NJ,
where the Golden Gup plays doo-wops every Friday night on
WMTR, 1250 AM, and where the station pulls a 6.2 in the NJ
ratings, making it one of the top music stations in the
state. They play lots of great 50s and 60s songs that CBS
hadn't played for many years already even before their new
format.
You guys have become victims of the progressiveness of
NYC...how ironic.
Andrea, really I have nothing against any of you guys, I
just don't think you're posting this stuff to the right
list here. This is a 1950s rock and roll list, in where
SOME doo-wop records are included, but are not the main
focus of the list, and shouldn't be.
Why don't you take these discussions where they belong, to
the two doo-wop lists right here on the site:
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_doowop-
ballads.html
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_doowop-songs.html
Bruce
- Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 23:48:40 (EDT)
OK, Bruce--it's time for me to get involved in all this
mishegas; you startin the same thing with Andrea Siegel
that you've done before, which is basically knocking her
efforts to keep this music going and knocking her efforts
to get the word out.
Andrea is a lady who really knows her stuff and loves this
stuff, and I can't think of a more FAITHFUL and SUPPORTIVE
person when it comes to keeping the New York sound alive.
If you would take the cotton out of your eyes and ears and
check out her publication FOR REAL, you would see that. And
so important is her publication, especially in the post-
June 3 era.
Andrea Wiener
New York City
andrea d. wiener
brooklyn, new york usa - Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 21:19:14 (EDT)
"""One more point I wanted to get across to you, us oldies
lovers and concert goers depend very much on this calendar
to find out about the latest oldies shows and events. It is
a very important publication to many people. We would never
be able to find out all this information on our own. No one
would have the time day in and day out to be going through
websites, calling up concert halls and clubs, searching for
flyers etc. to find out about upcoming shows. Andrea does
this from the goodness of her heart to help keep the music
alive and keep the fans informed of what is happening in the
Oldies/DooWop circut."""
Should I play some violins during this?
Would you folks please take all this doo-wop talk over to
the two doo-wop lists?
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_doowop-
ballads.html
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_doowop-songs.html
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 23:24:10 (EDT)
"""Bruce,
I have a question 4u..what did your base your survey of the
top 200 Rock'n'Roll songs on?? Are they of your own personal
opinion? Im curious.
Tony Esposito"""
Tony, the criteria for the list is listed at the top. It is
based on the record's initial and lasting popularity, and
on its initial impact at the time it was out, and on iuts
influence on the evolution of rock and roll down through
the years. "Johnny B. Goode" is pretty much universally
recognized nowadays as the gteatest 1950s record based on
this criteria.
If you want to see my personal opinion, check out my
webpage:
http://hometown.aol.com/savoybg/myhomepage/index.html
Here is my own personal favoriute 100 records from the 50s:
MY TOP 100 RECORDINGS OF THE 1950's
1 ¦ Shake, Rattle And Roll ¦ Joe Turner - 54
2 ¦ I'm In Love Again ¦ Fats Domino - 56
3 ¦ Long Tall Sally ¦ Little Richard - 56
4 ¦ Don't Go No Farther ¦ Muddy Waters - 56
5 ¦ Honey Hush ¦ Johnny Burnette Trio - 56
6 ¦ Rub A Little Boogie ¦ Champion Jack Dupree - 54
7 ¦ Tutti-Frutti ¦ Little Richard - 55
8 ¦ Midnight Cannonball ¦ Joe Turner - 55
9 ¦ What About Your Daughter? ¦ J.B. Lenoir - 57
10 ¦ Gumbo Blues ¦ Smiley Lewis - 52
11 ¦ Rockin' Pneumonia And The Boogie Woogie Flu ¦
Huey "Piano" Smith - 57
12 ¦ My Babe ¦ Little Walter - 55
13 ¦ Have Mercy Baby ¦ Dominoes - 52
14 ¦ Good Rocking Tonight ¦ Elvis Presley - 54
15 ¦ Head Happy With Wine ¦ Sticks McGhee - 53
16 ¦ Matchbox ¦ Carl Perkins - 57
17 ¦ The Train Kept A'Rollin' ¦ Johnny Burnette Trio - 56
18 ¦ Before You Accuse Me ¦ Bo Diddley - 57
19 ¦ Money Honey ¦ Drifters - 53
20 ¦ Bo Diddley ¦ Bo Diddley - 55
21 ¦ Blue Monday ¦ Fats Domino - 55
22 ¦ Roll Over Beethoven ¦ Chuck Berry - 56
23 ¦ All Mama's Children ¦ Carl Perkins - 56
24 ¦ End Of The Road ¦ Jerry Lee Lewis - 56
25 ¦ Think ¦ Five Royales - 57
26 ¦ Dark Is The Night (part 1) ¦ B.B. King - 56
27 ¦ Baby I Need You ¦ El Dorados - 54
28 ¦ Stand By Me ¦ Guitar Slim - 55
29 ¦ Modern Don Juan ¦ Buddy Holly - 56
30 ¦ One Hand Loose ¦ Charlie Feathers - 56
31 ¦ Moanin' The Blues ¦ Hank Williams - 50
32 ¦ All By Myself ¦ Johnny Burnette Trio - 56
33 ¦ Whatcha Gonna Do ¦ Drifters - 55
34 ¦ I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone ¦ Elvis Presley - 55
35 ¦ Too Much Lovin' ¦ Five Royales - 53
36 ¦ Honey Hush ¦ Joe Turner - 53
37 ¦ I Don't Care If The Sun Don't Shine ¦ Elvis Presley -
54
38 ¦ That'll Be The Day ¦ Crickets - 57
39 ¦ Gone, Gone, Gone ¦ Carl Perkins - 55
40 ¦ Folsom Prison Blues ¦ Johnny Cash - 55
41 ¦ If You Love Me (Let Me Know) ¦ Clovers - 55
42 ¦ I'm Ready ¦ Muddy Waters - 54
43 ¦ Don't You Know I Love You ¦ Clovers - 51
44 ¦ Honky Tonk Blues ¦ Hank Williams - 52
45 ¦ Slippin' And Slidin' ¦ Little Richard - 56
46 ¦ Fever ¦ Little Willie John - 56
47 ¦ I Was Wrong ¦ Moonglows - 54
48 ¦ Dixie Fried ¦ Carl Perkins - 56
49 ¦ Down In Virginia ¦ Jimmy Reed - 58
50 ¦ It'll Be Me (LP version) ¦ Jerry Lee Lewis - 58
51 ¦ Someday ¦ Smiley Lewis - 56
52 ¦ School Day ¦ Chuck Berry - 57
53 ¦ Great Balls Of Fire ¦ Jerry Lee Lewis - 57
54 ¦ Annie Had A Baby ¦ Midnighters - 54
55 ¦ Blue Moon Of Kentucky ¦ Elvis Presley - 54
56 ¦ C.C. Rider ¦ Chuck Willis - 57
57 ¦ Bye Bye Love ¦ Everly Brothers - 57
58 ¦ Big Mamou ¦ Smiley Lewis - 53
59 ¦ Feel So Good ¦ Shirley & Lee - 55
60 ¦ Boogin' In The Rain ¦ Ivory Joe Hunter - 51
61 ¦ Lawdy Miss Clawdy ¦ Lloyd Price - 52
62 ¦ Blue Suede Shoes ¦ Carl Perkins - 56
63 ¦ You're So Fine ¦ Falcons - 59
64 ¦ Your Daddy's Dogging Around ¦ Todd Rhodes w/ Connie
Allen - 52
65 ¦ Flip, Flop And Fly ¦ Joe Turner - 55
66 ¦ Shake That Thing ¦ Wynonie Harris - 54
67 ¦ No Need Acting Like That ¦ Mamie Ree (unreleased
master) - 55
68 ¦ Rip It Up ¦ Little Richard - 56
69 ¦ Bottle To The Baby ¦ Charlie Feathers - 56
70 ¦ Tear It Up ¦ Johnny Burnette Trio - 56
71 ¦ My Lovin' Baby ¦ El Dorados - 54
72 ¦ Please Love Me ¦ B.B. King - 53
73 ¦ Move Baby Move ¦ Larry Harrison - 55
74 ¦ Keep A'Knockin' ¦ Little Richard - 57
75 ¦ Steamboat ¦ Drifters - 55
76 ¦ Why Don't You Love Me ¦ Hank Williams - 50
77 ¦ Well All Right ¦ Joe Turner - 54
78 ¦ Lonesome Train ¦ Johnny Burnette Trio - 56
79 ¦ Just Make Love To Me ¦ Muddy Waters -54
80 ¦ House Party ¦ Amos Milburn - 55
81 ¦ You're A Heartbreaker ¦ Elvis Presley - 55
82 ¦ Good Bread Alley ¦ Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson - 52
83 ¦ Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On ¦ Roy Hall - 55
84 ¦ Wrap It Up ¦ Robins - 54
85 ¦ Diddley Daddy ¦ Bo Diddley - 55
86 ¦ Good Golly Miss Molly ¦ Little Richard - 58
87 ¦ Nip Sip ¦ Clovers - 55
88 ¦ You're My Big Baby Now ¦ Roy Moss - 56
89 ¦ Jim Dandy ¦ Lavern Baker - 56
90 ¦ All Shook Up ¦ Elvis Presley - 57
91 ¦ Six To Eight ¦ Sticks McGhee - 55
92 ¦ Drinking Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee ¦ Johnny Burnette Trio - 57
93 ¦ That Ain't Nothing But Right ¦ Mac Curtis - 56
94 ¦ Where Did You Stay ¦ Fats Domino - 54
95 ¦ Hoochie Coochie Man ¦ Muddy Waters - 54
96 ¦ Whole Lot of Shakin' Going On ¦ Jerry Lee Lewis - 57
97 ¦ K.C. Loving ¦ Little Willie Littlefield - 52
98 ¦ White Cliffs Of Dover ¦ Checkers - 53
99 ¦ Shake, Rattle And Roll ¦ Bill Haley & Comets - 54
100 ¦ Dust My Blues ¦ Elmore James - 55
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 23:20:56 (EDT)
""You could hurl a golf ball across your bathtub.""
I'll out-hurl you "every day of the week" including
Tuesdays. Let's have a hurling contest. I'll throw what I
like - golfballs - and you throw what you like -
dingleberries.
Feinberg
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 19:13:59 (EDT)
Bruce,
One more point I wanted to get across to you, us oldies
lovers and concert goers depend very much on this calendar
to find out about the latest oldies shows and events. It is
a very important publication to many people. We would never
be able to find out all this information on our own. No one
would have the time day in and day out to be going through
websites, calling up concert halls and clubs, searching for
flyers etc. to find out about upcoming shows. Andrea does
this from the goodness of her heart to help keep the music
alive and keep the fans informed of what is happening in the
Oldies/DooWop circut. I, as many people are VERY
appreciative of this calendar and would pay $50 even $100
for it if we had to because it's just that important to us.
Thats how much we love and want to support our music!
Tony Esposito
Brooklyn, NY - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 18:59:51 (EDT)
""My mistake, I was thinking of his label mate, Perkle Lee
Moses of The Eldorados.""
FYI Bruce, Perkle is correctly spelled Pirkle.
Tony Esposito
Brooklyn, NY - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 18:43:22 (EDT)
Bruce,
I have a question 4u..what did your base your survey of the
top 200 Rock'n'Roll songs on?? Are they of your own personal
opinion? Im curious.
Tony Esposito
Brooklyn, NY - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 18:36:44 (EDT)
"""Tuesday nights are
reserved for hurling disinfectant bombs across the river
into the Jersey mosquito swamps.
"""
You could hurl a golf ball across your bathtub.
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 18:12:53 (EDT)
"""do you run your
mouth there and cause problems and controversy"""
Well, I am the only non-player ever inducted into their
hall of fame:
http://208.17.151.89/HallOfFame/hof.htm
So I must be doing something right.
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 18:11:46 (EDT)
"""I must say that your website has provided me with
entertainment and lots of laughs which Is what I need when
I have to take a break from calling the performers, the
venues, the promoters, the agents, the casinos, the
hotels,the oldies organizations and the radio disc jockeys
for their upcoming events. """
But yet you don't think that you should be compensated for
all of your efforts. Whoever this "owner" is really has got
you brainwashed.
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 18:09:02 (EDT)
""They are as far as I'm concerned. "The Garden Sate"
pisses all over the mess over there, which even you left
for a much nicer area.""
Jersey ain't exactly a "garden" last I smelled it. The
dirt in NYC is from Jersey piss. I always said it was from
Jersey. But yeah, you're right, I did leave for a nicer
place, mostly because of the weather. But weather ain't
everything. And Jersey weather is the same as NY. Why?
Same region.
And I never said you can see groups "every night of the
week." I said "almost any day." Tuesday nights are
reserved for hurling disinfectant bombs across the river
into the Jersey mosquito swamps.
Feinberg
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 18:02:24 (EDT)
Grossberg, Your analogies are as inane as you. Guess you
never heard of someone doing something just because they
want to. The Calendar is a form of keeping the music alive
and that's the most important part of it. The owner of the
publication does shows which I am NOT involved with. I
simply compile this calendar by choice, and believe me
there is NO exploitation. And what the hell is it your
business if people pay $21 for a subscription or if there
are advertisements in the publication. As I said before,
this is all by choice.
I want to thank you so much for all the free promotion
you've given to the Calendar. Wouldn't it be grand if I got
some subscribers from your website? I'll let you know one
day.
I must say that your website has provided me with
entertainment and lots of laughs which Is what I need when
I have to take a break from calling the performers, the
venues, the promoters, the agents, the casinos, the
hotels,the oldies organizations and the radio disc jockeys
for their upcoming events.
It's obvious that you have no life other than your
precious little website and baseball - do you run your
mouth there and cause problems and controversy..I'll bet
you do. If someone says "safe," you'll say "out" or if
someone says "out" you'll say "safe" just to cause an
argument. You like the response. I told you to triple your
medication and go see a shrink. I won't be back for a
while. I leave the verbal combat to Steve Feinberg (whose
much better at it than you could ever be) and to Tony
Esposito who is very knowledgable. You're the biggest fool
that I've ever come in contact with and I'm the second
biggest fool for wasting my time with an asshole like you.
Andrea Siegel
Staten Island, NY 10308 - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 16:50:42 (EDT)
I also see that not only do the subscribers pay $21 a year,
but that the calendar also has advertisers, who pay for
ads.
If Little Andrea Siegel reallly works for free then she's
an idiot. Why do this work so whoever owns this thing can
exploit you as he makes a profit on the calendar and with
other parts of this business?
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 15:07:05 (EDT)
"""We are a music promotional business specializing in
presenting rock'n roll oldies shows, at your high school,
concert hall, theater, etc. Golden Oldies Forever can
assist you in whatever fund-raising activity your school or
organization plans."""
So your website even admits that it is a "business."
That means that it makes (or attempts to make) a profit
Siegel.
I don't see who owns it, only that the site was created by
David O'Reilly.
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 15:04:27 (EDT)
"""Bruce, You truly showed your ignorance when you said
that Pookie Hudson was dead."""
My mistake, I was thinking of his label mate, Perkle Lee
Moses of the El Dorados.
Is this a mirage again, or are you back posting here when
you said that you would never return?
"""He's alive and
well, thank God, """
I don't believe in god.
"""three original members along with Vickie
Burgess from The Joytones """
I can't stand her catterwalling. The Harptones records on
Rama would be much better without the nasty sounding
Joytones in the background.
"""People who subscribe to this Calendar, subscribe by
CHOICE...because they want too. We could post the Calendar
on our website but that's not the way it works. """"
Of course not, otherwise the owner of the rag wouldn't make
any money.
"That's not the way it works" is not a legitimite answer
for anything Siegel. Suppose I told a black man in 1955
that he couldn't vote because "that's not the way it
works." Would that be an acceptable reason?
"""If the fans of the music and the people involved in the
industry want to know what's happening then they
subscribe.. by CHOICE. """
Come off of it Andrea. NOBODY would subscribe if they could
get it for free on a website. People used to choose to use
A,T & T for their phone service and be charged by the
individual phone call until the government put an end to
that monopoly and gave people the real option to make a
CHOICE.
People used to choose to pay for music until free
downloading services became available.
"""I've never never had any complaints (except from moronic
you) about the price or the fact that it's a paid
publication. """
So I'm the first smart one who ever found out about it.
"""Think about it you idiot... There are people
in this world that don't own computers and couldn't go on-
line to get the information. """
So they would have to either get on line or not find out
about it. At one time there were people without phones and
TVs too, but they all came around eventually.
Tell you what I'll do. For those without computers I'll set
up a phone message that's updated weekly with which groups
are appearaing where. That way we can do this strictly for
the music.
"""What in the world would ever think the owner of the
publication would allow you to post it on your website??"""
Of course he wouldn't want me too, as it would kill off the
profits that he makes from it. I don't see how he could
stop me though. Listing where groups are appearing is a
matter of public information. He can't copyright a listing
of where and when certain artists are appearing. That type
of information is published in thousands of newspapers all
over the country.
In fact, maybe I'll just start a free webpage listing where
groups are appearing so you people won't be able to steal
$21 a year anymore from your subscribers.
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 15:00:52 (EDT)
Bruce, You truly showed your ignorance when you said that
Pookie Hudson was dead. You're an idiot. He's alive and
well, thank God, and performing on the current oldies
circuit. There is at least one original member performing
in almost all the groups. Tony left out information about
The Harptones - three original members along with Vickie
Burgess from The Joytones and Marlowe Murray from the Fi-
Tones. Pretty impressive I'd say. True, there are many
bogus Drifters, Coasters, Platters and Marvelettes around
but they are not listed in the Calendar. I only list events
for Herb Read's Platters, Carl Gardner's Coasters, Bill
Pinkney's Orignal Drifters and Charlie Thomas' Drifters.
People who subscribe to this Calendar, subscribe by
CHOICE...because they want too. We could post the Calendar
on our website but that's not the way it works. If the fans
of the music and the people involved in the industry want
to know what's happening then they subscribe.. by CHOICE.
I've never never had any complaints (except from moronic
you) about the price or the fact that it's a paid
publication. Think about it you idiot... There are people
in this world that don't own computers and couldn't go on-
line to get the information.
What in the world would ever think the owner of the
publication would allow you to post it on your website??
You need to take your medication. I think you should triple
the dosage.
The Calendar is published three times a year and each
one contains 6 months worth of events (Each Calendar
overlaps the other by two months.)There are very few shows
that are cancelled and very few changes in the line-ups.
You want to know what's happening on a Tuesday night?
Subscribe to it if you're that interested. Go to the
website - www.goldenoldiesforever.com and find out for
yourself who owns it. You truly are the biggest waste of my
time. I'm busy compiling my next Calendar and when I speak
to Pookie to get his upcoming events, I'll be sure to tell
him that you said he was dead.
Andrea Siegel
Staten Island, NY USA - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 14:38:16 (EDT)
"""Among the black groups performing within a two week
period are the Spaniels, Five Satins, Little Anthony & the
Imperials, Dubs, Cleftones, Flamingos, Del Vikings, Jive
Five, Chantels, Channels - just to name only a few."""
Feinberg, the main people in many of these groups are dead.
Why the fuck would I want too go see some "Spaniels" group
when Hudson and Gregory are not alive anymore?
I had to respond to this because first of all there is one
major fact that u are TOTALLY wrong about..POOKIE HUDSON IS
ALIVE AND WELL. HES NOT DEAD, So that just proves to me
that u are not to up date on what is going on with ur
favorite groups to say that some1 is dead who is alive and
performing.
Now you said the main people in many of these groups are
dead, but let me enlighten you on some of them. The 5
Satins still have Fred Parris, Little Anthony & the
Imperials is Little Anthony and 2 original Imperials, The
Cleftones still have Herb Cox, The Jive Five are 3 original
members including Eugene Pitt, The Channels still feature
Earl Lewis and The Chantels are 3 original members!! Yes a
couple of the groups dont have original or key members
still in them, but as you can see many of them do. So like
Steve said to you in earlier post, its a good idea to have
the facts at hand be4 u make a statement or endeavor to
argue!
Tony Esposito
Brooklyn, NY - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 12:33:33 (EDT)
"""and maybe also glance at a map if you
think Jersey and NYC are in different regions."""
They are as far as I'm concerned. "The Garden Sate" pisses
all over the mess over there, which even you left for a
much nicer area.
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 11:30:13 (EDT)
"""3 - Since you claim that the $12.00 only covers costs,
whoever does own this would not be losing any money, but
would be freeing up time and making things much more
conveniant for everybody.""""
Sorry, that should be $21.00
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 11:28:30 (EDT)
"""I said I would NEVER return to your website in a
previous comment and I haven't"""
I guess your latest post must be a mirage.
"""But when I was told that you wrote about the
Concert Calendar that I compile, it's time to step in and
state the facts. I do not own the publication."""
Who owns it?
"""Over 1,000 fans of the music and people in the business
subscribe to this pulication and they think the price is
truly a bargain. They'd be willing to spend much more. """
Just because you're pulling the wool over the eyes of your
customers doesn't make it right. There's no reason they
should have to pay to promote the live apperances of these
groups.
Why not just list the info for free on the website, if all
you are interested in doing is promoting the music.
Tell you what I'll do. Instead of you compiling this
information for whoever owns the publication, why don't you
send it to me, and I'll post it on one of my webpages. That
way the 1,000+ people who subscribe to the calendar would
no longer have to spend the $21.00 to get this information.
They could just go directly to the webpage and get the
info.
This would be better for everybody for several reasons.
1 - Since you sat that no money is being made on this, it
would be mush less of a hassle than having to actually have
1000+ copies printed up and mailed out to everybody.
2 - The problem with a calendar that is only mailed out 3
times a year is that there will invariably be many changes
in schedules over the course of the year, and once the
calendar is mailed out, some of the listings will change
before the shows occur. If you do it my way you could
instantly update any change in any group's appearance
schedule.
3 - Since you claim that the $12.00 only covers costs,
whoever does own this would not be losing any money, but
would be freeing up time and making things much more
conveniant for everybody.
What about it Andrea?
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 11:26:59 (EDT)
"""Among the black groups performing within a two week
period are the Spaniels, Five Satins, Little Anthony & the
Imperials, Dubs, Cleftones, Flamingos, Del Vikings, Jive
Five, Chantels, Channels - just to name only a few."""
Feinberg, the main people in many of these groups are dead.
Why the fuck would I want too go see some "Spaniels" group
when Hudson and Gregory are not alive anymore?
Why would anybody want to see the Dubs without Richard
Blandon, or the Flamingos without any of the original lead
singers.
You, me, and two other guys should just start calling
ourselves the Ravens if this is what's going on.
I'm still waiting for info on what groups are appearing
somnewhere on a Tuesday night Feinberg. You said that you
could see live groups "every night of the week" in this
area.
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 11:15:55 (EDT)
I said I would NEVER return to your website in a previous
comment and I haven't, simply because I have no interest in
listening to your condescending, egotistical, and vulgar
remarks. But when I was told that you wrote about the
Concert Calendar that I compile, it's time to step in and
state the facts. I do not own the publication. I simply
compile it and I do this because I have a passion for the
music and the performers. And to top it off, Little Andrea
Siegel doesn't make a profit. Little Andrea Siegel makes no
money at all.
#21.00 covers the cost of the postage, the printing, and
the supplies. It's not a money maker. If you think #21.00
is too much money to spend on the ONLY publication in the
country that is totally devoted to the current oldies
circuit, which by the way is 84 pages, then I think we need
to run a benefit for you at one of the many concerts that
take place in the NY area.
Over 1,000 fans of the music and people in the business
subscribe to this pulication and they think the price is
truly a bargain. They'd be willing to spend much more. And
yes, there are oldies shows every night of the week in the
NY area at the many restaurants and night clubs that
feature these R&;B, doo wop, and acappella groups - white or
black. On weekends, there could be four or five shows just
in the NY area alone to choose from. So you are totally
wrong. You ran your big obnoxious mouth without knowing
the facts. Tony Esposito is correct about all that he
stated and so is Steve Feinberg. And I think you are a
pompous asshole who needs some heavy duty medication.
Andrea Siegel
Staten Island, NY USA - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 10:28:39 (EDT)
Bruce: If I transcribed from the current printed concert
calendar that Tony mentioned and listed for you only one
week's worth of performances at various venues in the NYC
area by well known R&;B/doo-wop groups, it would flood your
site. Among the black groups performing within a two week
period are the Spaniels, Five Satins, Little Anthony & the
Imperials, Dubs, Cleftones, Flamingos, Del Vikings, Jive
Five, Chantels, Channels - just to name only a few. And
they perform with back up musicians. If you still have
doubts about the volume of 50's R&;B taking place in the
NYC area (and beyond), all you need do is get hold of that
concert calendar. It will amaze you.
So, when you say, "There's occasional shows here and there
on weeekends, that's about it"..."by horrendous white
acappella groups" you are speaking hastily and without
knowing the facts.
You also say New York City is not your region. You're in
Jersey, right? Well...New Jersey is in the precise same
region of the country New York is in. They're even closer
than that. They're bordering states and are often referred
to as the NY/NJ area. They couldn't BE any closer.
If you make a statement or endeavor to argue (which you
often do quite frivolously), it's a good idea to have the
facts at hand...and maybe also glance at a map if you
think Jersey and NYC are in different regions.
Feinberg
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 03:36:05 (EDT)
Tony, I checked out the website...I'm laughing so hard I'm
fucking crying here:
""""A yearly subscription includes three Concert Calendars.
The cost of the subscription is $21 ($25 in Canada and $30
in foreign countries). You will receive one calendar every
four months and it will be sent FIRST-CLASS mail.
***Make your check or money order payable to: Golden Oldies
Forever
***Please fill out the form below, printing all information
and mail to:
Andrea Siegel
291 Brookfield Avenue
Staten Island, NY 10308"""
Little Andrea Siegel actually makes a profit letting people
know where groups are appearing....LOL....yeah, she's
really dedicated to the music.
$21 gets me a whole three mailings a year, $7.00 each.
What a farce.
If she wants to help these groups so much, why not post the
calendar on the site for free for everybody to see, so that
more people can come to the shows.....no, she's got to make
money on the thing.....fucking leech.
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 02:23:59 (EDT)
"""Bruce, you are a pompus asshole & extremely
condescending"""
Thank you. One ca't help but be condecsending when talking
to those less knowledgable.
""" and Steve Feinberg is a gentlemen."""
You mean he's more than one person?
"""occasionally on
the weekdays """
Feinberg claimed that there were shows EVERY night of the
week. I say that weeknight shows are extremely rare.
"""The calendar in question is called The Golden Oldies
Forever Concert Calendar. Go to their
website-www.goldenoldiesforver.com and subcribe to the
calendar to find out about all that you are missing."""
Tony, I'm not missing shit. The members of the vocal groups
that I like are either dead, can't sing anymore, or I've
seen them many times already.
If you want to talk about doo-wop groups how about that you
post on one of the doo-wop lists rather than on this main
1950s list.
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_doowop-
ballads.html
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_doowop-songs.html
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 02:16:53 (EDT)
Oops, left out a letter in the website. Here is the correct
website-www.goldenoldiesforever.com
Tony Esposito
Brooklyn, NY - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 21:18:42 (EDT)
I enjoy reading the verbal combat between you and Steve
Feinberg. You are both really knowledgable about the music
but there is a difference. Bruce, you are a pompus asshole &
extremely condescending and Steve Feinberg is a gentlemen.
There are so many shows in the 5 Boroughs, Long Island and
Upstate New York every single weekend and occasionally on
the weekdays that my friends and I have trouble deciding
which shows to go to. As a matter of fact, these shows
feature both R&;B and DooWop groups and occasionally one a
capella group which could be white or black.
The calendar in question is called The Golden Oldies Forever
Concert Calendar. Go to their
website-www.goldenoldiesforver.com and subcribe to the
calendar to find out about all that you are missing.
Tony Esposito
Brooklyn, NY - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 20:44:26 (EDT)
"""Anybody? Don't bet your life on it. If it was sung in
lyrics, it was written and known, and therefore could
easily have been spoken by R&;B insiders you can't possibly
know of or refute. """
It was sung in lyrics, but not as a term describing a style
of music. It was used as a slang term for fucking, and also
for dancing and partying. NOBODY used it as a name for a
style of music until Freed in around early 1953, maybe late
1952.
"""The number of current appearances by "doo-wop" groups in
the NYC area is not likely to be matched anywhere else. """
You say this as if it's agood thing. Who the fuck wants to
see these horrendous white acappella groups?
"""You're obviously not fully aware of what's going on
musically in your region. """
New York City is not my region.
"""I've seen doo-wop concert calendars that
list performances by any number of groups for every
weekend, and often mid-week - at shows, restaurants,
clubs, parties, churches, live in city parks, you name
it."""
How about some proof sources? Post some links to these "Doo-
Wop calendars" so we cal all see them. I'd like to see just
which groups are appearing where on a Tuesday night.
Bruce
- Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 12:24:46 (EDT)
""You really think the whole world revolves around New
York, don't you?""
You really do have the NYC jitters. For the record, I
think the world revolves around the sun. If I'm wrong,
then it revolves around New Jersey. I said that
Gossert "popularized" the term, and he did his part in
doing just that. I did not say he did it all by himself or
that he made it known to the entire world.
""No, I don't think anybody else called the music "rock
and roll" before Freed.""
Anybody? Don't bet your life on it. If it was sung in
lyrics, it was written and known, and therefore could
easily have been spoken by R&;B insiders you can't possibly
know of or refute. You simply don't know. It would not
shock anyone to learn that Freed heard it used as a
reference to the music before he used it himself. And
there's no shame in that. Ya know, America
was "discovered" way before Columbus did it.
""There's occasional shows here and there on
weeekends, that's about it.""
Live doo-wop in the NYC area is not "occasional." It's
pretty regular. I've seen doo-wop concert calendars that
list performances by any number of groups for every
weekend, and often mid-week - at shows, restaurants,
clubs, parties, churches, live in city parks, you name it.
The number of current appearances by "doo-wop" groups in
the NYC area is not likely to be matched anywhere else.
Some of these groups make a living doing this. You're
obviously not fully aware of what's going on musically in
your region.
Feinberg
- Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 00:01:49 (EDT)
"""Okay...so technically Gossert wasn't the very FIRST to
use the term, but he did nothing short of popularizing
it,"""
You really think the whole world revolves around New York,
don't you?
Gossert popularized the term in one small part of the
world, New York City and its surrounding area....that's
all. NOBODY ever heard of Gus Gossert outside of the NY/NJ
area.
"""the same way somebody no doubt called it "Rock & Roll"
before Freed popularized that term. Freed and Gossert
deserve due credit for that. """
No, I don't think anybody else called the music "rock and
roll" before Freed. The term was used in many records
before that, but not as a name for the music. I'd say Freed
desreves credit for coining the term rock and roll and
Gossert deserves credit for being a good broadcaster who
made his listeners feel special. He really didn't care
about the music, and would just as well have playecountry
if it would have been popular in the area that he was
working in.
"""But I do miss that great doo-wop action city where you
can catch the R&;B group sound LIVE almost any day of the
week."""
I think you've been away for too long. There's not exactly
a thriving live doo-wop scene around here on a Tuesday
night. There's occasional shows here and there on
weeekends, that's about it.
Bruce
- Monday, September 26, 2005 at 17:03:12 (EDT)
Okay...so technically Gossert wasn't the very FIRST to use
the term, but he did nothing short of popularizing it, the
same way somebody no doubt called it "Rock & Roll" before
Freed popularized that term. Freed and Gossert deserve due
credit for that.
Interesting tidbit about Gossert's drug use and demise,
but it of course has no bearing on the role he played.
Half, if not more, of the R&;B greats you dig were
alcoholics or druggies or ended up in prison and died
young or penniless. Don't hold it against them. It doesn't
diminish their contributions.
And, again, there's that strange fixation you have about
New York. I never had in mind that Gossert was from ANY
particular city or region. So, please don't feel sorry for
bursting any bubbles. You're not guilty. As a matter of
fact, I'm living in California these days. Better weather.
But I do miss that great doo-wop action city where you can
catch the R&;B group sound LIVE almost any day of the week.
There's nothing quite like it in California. I can tell
you that.
Feinberg
- Monday, September 26, 2005 at 02:59:33 (EDT)
"""I'll check out the Sparrows Quartet, but it sounds a
little fishy. """
I don't know where you think you're going to check them
out, the records are long out of print. They were Italian
and Jewish guys from NYC who liked the real hardcore R & B
sounds of black groups like the Crows, the Orioles, the
Muskateers, the Serenaders, Vocaleers, etc.... Members at
various times included Dominick D'Elia, Sam Wood, James
Brady, Dominick's brother Billy D'Elia, Bob Freedman and
Sal Mondrone.
"""As you know, the retro term "doo-wop" was coined by Gus
Gossert in the early 1970's, but he was expressing the
sound and style of the WHITE R&;R vocal groups."""
Wrong again. Gossert did not "coin" anything. His producer
Wayne Stierle picked up on a term used on the cover of this
1969 album:
Specialty-2114 - Doo Wop - Various Artists [1969] Pretty
Little Girl - Chimes/Our School Days - Monitors/Bad Boy -
Larry Williams/Sweet Breeze - Vernon Green & Phantoms/Dream
Girl - Jesse & Marvin/Flip - Marvin & Johnny/Wheel Of
Fortune - Four Flames/Moose On The Loose - Roddy
Jackson/Cherokee Dance - Bob Landers/That Mellow Saxophone -
Roy Montrel/Drunk - Jimmy Liggins/The Animal Song - King
Perry/Cleo - Rene Hall/The Traffic Song - Joe Lucher
Which ironically contained mostly non-vocal group records.
The term was obviously already in use on the west coast,
where Specialty Records was located, but as usual, some guy
in New York wants to think that it originated there.
I met Gossert a few times. He didn't know one group from
another, he was just a very good broadcaster who hooked up
with a couple of NJ guys (Stierle and Stan Krausse) who
knew the music. They had to basically wipe his ass for him
every time he went on the air, between all of the drugs
that he was doing, and the women that he was screwing. He
finally fucked with the wrong woman and ended up dead, shot
in the head down south somewhere, supposedly over a drug
deal that went bad.
Sorry to burst your bubble Feinberg, but the term "doo-wop"
was around long before Gossert ever started playing that
music, and it originated in the Los Angeles area, probably
with guys like Art Laboe, Huggy Boy and Hunter Hancock.
Bruce
- Sunday, September 25, 2005 at 23:04:26 (EDT)
Hi Bruce. I'm back. Damn, I hate when you're right. Your
black group choices are good ones although the Spaniels,
Solitaires and Flamingos were no slouches.
But yeah, it's unquestionably Dion & the Belmonts among
the white groups. They were doo-wop and then some. How'd
you know that?
I'll check out the Sparrows Quartet, but it sounds a
little fishy. Any female football players among them?
As you know, the retro term "doo-wop" was coined by Gus
Gossert in the early 1970's, but he was expressing the
sound and style of the WHITE R&;R vocal groups.
Feinberg
- Sunday, September 25, 2005 at 05:37:19 (EDT)
Kasper, I'd say that the greatest black group was either
the Orioles or the Five Keys, although my personal
favorites would be the Clovers, Robins, and Drifters.
As for the greatest white doo-wop group, that's like asking
me who was the greatest female football player.
I'd probably have to say the Sparrows Quartet, a bunch of
New York City record collectors who could imitate any of
the great black groups convincingly. They made a couple of
albums in the 60s and 70s.
Among white groups from the 50s, I'd have to say that the
greatest group would be Dion & the Belmonts.
Check out the two doo-wop lists on the site, scroll down to
the bottom of the page and look on the right side of the
lists, just below the R & B section.
Bruce
- Sunday, September 25, 2005 at 03:14:01 (EDT)
Who would you say is the greatest R&;R (doo-wop) vocal
group, let's say among the white groups and among the
black groups since they usually had different sounds?
Kasper
- Saturday, September 24, 2005 at 04:21:06 (EDT)
rosie, "Moonrise" was by the Royals, from 1952. If you
check the "Top tens 1950 to 1969" page, it's in the top 100
for 1952.
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songs50-69.html
Bruce
- Saturday, September 10, 2005 at 20:11:56 (EDT)
trying to fing a old song by the name of moonrise. i
think it was recorded by the royals, but not sure.
might you have an idea?
thank you
rosie grovo
rosie grovo
cedar falls, ia us - Saturday, September 10, 2005 at 17:13:44 (EDT)
NosyKnox
I gave you your chance and you BLEW it. But not without
expertise.
Amos Grebs
- Friday, September 09, 2005 at 15:31:04 (EDT)
Grebass,
I DID take the nasal excavatin' crown of 2003!!!
Did it with humility too!!!
So even if you turn your nose up to me, I will always
offer clear and safe passage, baby!!!
Knoxabout
- Friday, September 09, 2005 at 05:18:54 (EDT)
Knoxwurst.
So you didn't win the nose-picking championship. You're
still a great dung juggler.
Grebnief
Circuit City, - Friday, September 09, 2005 at 02:10:53 (EDT)
Explains YOUR feeble rhetorical ringsman Hey I'm a
beatnik..Remember?
Mayo
Pearly Gates, - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 23:15:02 (EDT)
Hey Feinberg!!
Your wife loves him 'cause he probably hangs as well as
sounds black, baby!!!
Maynard!!! Didn't you die last Saturday?
Explains YOUR feeble rhetorical ringsmanship!!!!
Henry Knox
- Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 05:16:24 (EDT)
Diane:
Randy's an exceptional tenor lead. He's got a strong voice
and sounds black, as good as anyone out there today.
Everyone on the circuit knows of him. On one of his CDs
with his group and fully orchestrated, he does a bunch of
Stylistics leads that you'd NEVER guess was coming from a
white guy. A virtual Russell Thompkins sound alike. He
surprises a lot of people. And he's a real gentleman. My
wife loves him too. (Smile).
Steve Feinberg
- Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 04:49:28 (EDT)
<<Randy Silver did the
lead. He sang with the Impalas, Salutations, Chaperones,
with Jimmy Merchant and other R&;B veterans....He's a
really good lead singer.>>
I remember Randy Silver very well, because I went to a
concert some time in the late 80s or early 90s with my
boyfriend at the time. I sat on the aisle. The Impalas
were part of the lineup, and Randy Silver sang lead on some
of their songs. He came out into the audience and at one
point made like he was singing to me. My boyfriend started
a fight with me afterwards because he insisted I was
drooling over Randy Silver!!!! Jealous little so and so,
wasn't he?
Diane
NYC, - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 01:57:22 (EDT)
Hey Knox..Stay outta this...Your comments can't compare to
the verbal pugilism displayed here..Nuff said!
Maynard "Mayo" Krebs
Heaven(Maybe), - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 22:47:51 (EDT)
Donn Felatio also added that the song just plain sucks,
baby!!!
Henry Knox
- Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 05:23:14 (EDT)
Harold GINSBERG. Yep. But still on the Times Square label.
Well, maybe someday they'll put the record on a Times
Square "Twilight Zone" CD. It had a nice arrangement.
Great bass, great lead, tight harmony.
""You had a few things, but that's actually one of the
negatives about the vocal group sounds as far as I'm
concerened. Over romanticising life to the point of
utopian fantasy.""
Okay, some of them may have pushed it. But Rock&Roll;
pushed EVERYTHING. That's the beauty of the thing.
Steve Feinberg
NYC, - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 04:18:49 (EDT)
"""<<....this music which, if you
listen closer to it, was hardly ever about anger or
hatred"""
You had a few things, but that's actually one of the
negatives about the vocal group sounds as far as I'm
concerened. Over romanticising life to the point of utopian
fantasy.
All Women Are The Same - Hawks
The Way You Dog Me Around - Diablos
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 01:10:05 (EDT)
Feinberg, I asked Donn Fileti, whon bought out Slim in
1965, about your record, and why he didn't consider it a
legitimite release when he put together a Times Square
discography for his "Best Of Times Square" CD on
Relic....here's his reply:
Because it was released by Silvani and, as such, not what I
or Eddie considered as legitimately "Times Square" Harold
Ginsberg, our third partner, sold or gave the name to Lou
without our knowledge...no big thing, but the era of Times
Square ended when that happened as far as I'm concerned.
Bruce
- Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 00:50:19 (EDT)
<<....this music which, if you
listen closer to it, was hardly ever about anger or
hatred>>
You know, you're right about that. There is no doowopp
equivalent of Little Walter's "Boom Boom, Out Go The
Lights." The only hostile group harmony songs I can think
of at the moment are "Insulting Blues Boogie" (which was
credited to the Harptones but they say it wasn't them)
and "Ain't She Got Nerve" by the Mellows (which is
acappella and wasn't released in the 50s).
Hmmm. Gotta meditate on this one.
Diane
NYC, - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 22:29:03 (EDT)
""C'mon now Feinberg, don't play dumb. If you went to the
link I provided about those surveys that werre done at
WFUV, you would have to realize that nobody would work on
an 8 year project that involved unless they liked the
music.""
Then why did you never simply SAY it in the text of your
replies to me? You were up front and outspoken in
declaring everything else in those replies. Why did you
not openly admit you liked the vocal groups? One sentence
to me would've made it clear.
""Are you trying to tell us that you didn't read the top
post that was here before you posted?""
Again; why then did you avoid openly admitting to ME that
you liked the vocal groups? We talked enough about it. You
certainly had the chance to say it. If you're talking to
me, tell ME. Don't refer me to links or to what you told
SOMEONE ELSE. In replying to me, you actually DOWNPLAYED
the vocal groups and dumped on a "shit city" that produced
MANY good vocal groups, some of which are on YOUR VERY OWN
LIST OF FAVORITES. What the ----?
""Why would you care what soime misfit who didn't live
through those years likes?""
It wouldn't have hurt if you actually TOLD me you liked
the groups. As a matter of fact, it would've facilitated
our discourse. But you chose not to.
""According to you I could never really comprehend the
sound of that era since I didn't hear the records when
they were new.""
Back to this? Okay. Ready? I'm saying there is an added
benefit in having LIVED through an era as opposed to
viewing it and ITS CONTENTS in a merely historical sense,
no matter how much you study it with books or by listening
to records. Those who lived it and grew up with it are
naturally closer to it than those who didn't. This needs
no further explanation. The music was an intergal part of
their time. It reflected it, as all contemporary music
does, and that time no longer exists no matter how much
you embrace or appreciate its music. The era and the music
are linked together. If you understand an era, you will
better understand its music.
Dramatically speaking, if I may, you could study the
Holocaust, know all the facts and trivia and songs they
sang, but you can never know what it was like to be in
that time and that place and know the full meaning of
those songs unless you were there...because you have no
base of reference. BEING there, being ANYWHERE, gives you
an inside look that no one else can get, and makes it a
PART of you. If one didn't live through the 50s or 40's or
any era for that matter, they will always be, to some
degree, short of really "knowing" it. Even an historian
will tell you that.
Yours is a retrospective of the music, not a REFLECTION of
it. If your fervent devotion (which I'm not doubting you
have) wasn't so often eclipsed by reactionary hostlity
you might be in better tune with this music which, if you
listen closer to it, was hardly ever about anger or
hatred.
Steve Feinberg
NY, NY - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 20:36:04 (EDT)
"""C'mon, Bruce. You say "well versed." That's a strictly
objective statement. You even say it's the sound that I
prefer (me), implying in opposition to YOU. There's
absolutely no mention or even a hint in your statement
about you LIKING the group sound. The other post you refer
to was not to ME, which is what I asked you. So, the "many
times" to ME isn't even ONE time. You never told ME - and
led me to believe quite the contrary by many of your
statements - that you liked vocal groups. I'm not a mind
reader. Your arguments, in fact, were very often quite
negative about the groups, in particular NYC groups. If
you're now telling me you like them, I believe you and
it's a welcome message. I'd be curious to know whom you
hold in high regard. """
C'mon now Feinberg, don't play dumb. If you went to the
link I provided about those surveys that werre done at
WFUV, you would have to realize that nobody would work on
an 8 year project that involved unless they liked the music.
Are you trying to tell us that you didn't read the top post
that was here before you posted?
Why would you care what soime misfit who didn't live
through those years likes?
According to you I could never really comprehend the sound
of that era since I didn't hear the records when they were
new.
I have my own webpage which lists my own personal favorite
artists, and songs, broken down by year, and genre, etc...
http://hometown.aol.com/savoybg/myhomepage/index.html
Here are my 100 favorite vocal group recordings:
1 ¦ Have Mercy Baby ¦ Dominoes - 52
2 ¦ Money Honey ¦ Drifters - 53
3 ¦ Think ¦ Five Royales - 57
4 ¦ Baby I Need You ¦ El Dorados - 54
5 ¦ Whatcha Gonna Do ¦ Drifters - 55
6 ¦ Too Much Lovin' ¦ Five Royales - 53
7 ¦ If You Love Me (Let Me Know) ¦ Clovers - 55
8 ¦ Don't You Know I Love You ¦ Clovers - 51
9 ¦ It Will Stand ¦ Showmen - 61
10 ¦ I Was Wrong ¦ Moonglows - 54
11 ¦ Annie Had A Baby ¦ Midnighters - 54
12 ¦ You're So Fine ¦ Falcons - 59
13 ¦ My Lovin' Baby ¦ El Dorados - 54
14 ¦ Steamboat ¦ Drifters - 55
15 ¦ Wrap It Up ¦ Robins - 54
16 ¦ Nip Sip ¦ Clovers - 55
17 ¦ White Cliffs Of Dover ¦ Checkers - 53
18 ¦ It Ain't The Meat ¦ Swallows - 51
19 ¦ You Ain't Ready ¦ Flamingos - 54
20 ¦ I Didn't Want To Do It ¦ Spiders - 53
21 ¦ Bring The Money Home ¦ Orioles (unreleased master)- 55
22 ¦ Love's All I'm Putting Down ¦ Spiders (unreleased
master)- 54
23 ¦ Oh What A Nite ¦ Dells - 56
24 ¦ Come Go With Me ¦ Del-Vikings - 56
25 ¦ Down In The Bottom ¦ Rockers - 56
26 ¦ Open Up The Back Door ¦ Midnighters - 56
27 ¦ Nite Owl ¦ Tony Allen & Champs - 55
28 ¦ One Mint Julep ¦ Clovers - 52
29 ¦ Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go ¦ Hank Ballard &
Midnighters - 60
30 ¦ Searchin' ¦ Coasters - 57
31 ¦ Sixty Minute Man ¦ Dominoes - 51
32 ¦ Don't Think I Will ¦ Young Jessie - 55
33 ¦ No Sweet Lovin' ¦ Drifters - 61
34 ¦ At My Front Door ¦ El Dorados - 55
35 ¦ Story Untold ¦ Nutmegs - 55
36 ¦ Down In Mexico ¦ Kidds (unreleased master)- 55
37 ¦ Ling Ting Tong ¦ Five Keys - 54
38 ¦ Your Promise To Be Mine ¦ Drifters - 56
39 ¦ Footstompin' ¦ Flares - 61
40 ¦ Dead Man Stroll ¦ Revels - 59
41 ¦ Mambo Santa Mambo ¦ Enchanters - 57
42 ¦ Come Back My Love ¦ Wrens - 55
43 ¦ Courage To Love ¦ Five Royales - 52
44 ¦ Up On The Mountain ¦ Magnificents - 56
45 ¦ One Kiss ¦ Robins - 55
46 ¦ The Wind ¦ Diablos - 54
47 ¦ Work With Me Annie ¦ Royals - 54
48 ¦ Let's Make Up ¦ Spaniels - 54
49 ¦ Sunday Kind Of Love ¦ Harptones - 53
50 ¦ Bells In My Heart ¦ Spiders - 55
51 ¦ You Didn't Learn It At Home ¦ Five Royales - 55
52 ¦ Baby It's You ¦ Spaniels - 53
53 ¦ Feel So Good ¦ Five Thrills - 53
54 ¦ You Baby You ¦ Cleftones - 55
55 ¦ Finger Poppin' Time ¦ Hank Ballard & Midnighters - 60
56 ¦ Let's Do The Cha-Cha ¦ Magnificents - 60
57 ¦ Drip Drop ¦ Drifters - 58
58 ¦ I'd Be Satisfied ¦ Dominoes - 52
59 ¦ Got A Job ¦ Miracles - 58
60 ¦ Let's You And I Go Steady ¦ Pearls - 56
61 ¦ I Know It's Hard But It's Fair ¦ Five Royales - 59
62 ¦ Oh But She Did ¦ El Capris - 56
63 ¦ I'm Slippin' In ¦ Spiders - 54
64 ¦ The Last Of The Good Rockin' Men ¦ Four Jacks - 52
65 ¦ I Used To Cry Mercy, Mercy ¦ Lamplighters - 54
66 ¦ Sincerely ¦ Moonglows - 54
67 ¦ Hearts Of Stone ¦ Jewels - 54
68 ¦ Buick 59 ¦ Medallions - 54
69 ¦ You're Back With Me (The Angels Sang) ¦ Solitaires - 56
70 ¦ Riot In Cell Block # 9 ¦ Robins - 54
71 ¦ Gloria ¦ Cadillacs - 54
72 ¦ Suddenly There's A Valley ¦ Drifters - 60
73 ¦ Shouldn't I Know ¦ Cardinals - 51
74 ¦ Hearts Of Stone ¦ Charms - 54
75 ¦ Beside You ¦ Swallows - 52
76 ¦ Mary Lou ¦ Young Jessie - 52
77 ¦ Heaven And Paradise ¦ Don Julian & Meadowlarks - 55
78 ¦ Smokey Joe's Cafe ¦ Robins - 55
79 ¦ Baby Let's Make Some Love ¦ Penguins - 55
80 ¦ Red Sails In The Sunset ¦ Five Keys - 52
81 ¦ How Would You Know ¦ Robins - 53
82 ¦ If I Can't Have You ¦ Flamingos - 53
83 ¦ God Only Knows ¦ Capris - 54
84 ¦ Crying In The Chapel ¦ Orioles - 53
85 ¦ The Deacon Moves In ¦ Little Esther & Dominoes - 51
86 ¦ Lonely No More ¦ Little Milton & Rockers - 61
87 ¦ Real Gone Mama ¦ Moonglows - 54
88 ¦ Give It Up ¦ Royals - 54
89 ¦ 219 Train ¦ Moonglows - 54
90 ¦ Earth Angel ¦ Penguins - 54
91 ¦ Blue Velvet ¦ Clovers - 55
92 ¦ Drunk, Drunk, Drunk ¦ Kidds - 55
93 ¦ WPLJ ¦ Four Deuces - 55
94 ¦ Jump Children ¦ Flamingos - 54
95 ¦ Yakety Yak ¦ Coasters - 58
96 ¦ Get It Off Your Mind ¦ Robins - 53
97 ¦ Smokey Places ¦ Corsairs - 61
98 ¦ If Teardrops Were Kisses ¦ Robins - 55
99 ¦ When You Dance ¦ Turbans - 55
100 ¦ Sh-Boom ¦ Chords - 54
Bruce
- Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 09:14:08 (EDT)
"""What most oldies fans enjoy, apprecaite and want to
hear above all else is not "Johnny B. Goode." Not by a
long shot. I mean, if you ask any number of Americans in
their fifties or early sixties what songs stayed with them
and are the most memorable from that era, you're going to
have a lot more vocal group tunes than you'd probably care
to handle."""
Read it. "Not Johnny B. Goode" above ALL ELSE (the
SONG)...and "a lot more vocal group tunes." If I wanted to
say that Chuck Berry's influence was less important than
the groups, I would've said exactly that. I don't pull
punches either. Nowhere in that statement do I dismiss his
influence or downplay the man's contribution.
""In "Cara Mia" it's the preposterous operetic lead vocal.
Doo-wop is the music of the streets, not some neo-opera
bullshit.""
I would not disagree with you on the neo-operatic lead as
being a turn-off, but the song itself has all the
structural components of a doo-wop song according to many
who've defined the style -- with the requisite "ooo"
and "ahhh' and "doo doo doo ahh" harmonies backing up the
lead. I've actually heard that song done acappella and it
was "street" sounding. You know it when you hear it.
""In "Tell It To The Rain" it's the the modern
instrumentation and the lack of any real harmony singing,
and the lack of a bass singer. Also the progressive bridge
with the the "Tell it baby, yeah" part and the sound
effects.""
Modern instrumentation? Not sure how more modern it is in
that song than in a lot of other doo-wop songs. And a bass
is not a mandatory requirement for doo-wop. There are lots
of four man doo-wop groups that had no bass yet were
without doubt doo-wop groups with doo-wop hits. But I hear
ya on the progressive bridge and in general what you're
saying about the song. So, you're being reasonable and
I'll go with you on this one.
"""Where in your posted replies to ME did you state "many
times" that you liked the vocal group sound? Where? """
"""By the way Feinberg, in case you don't think I am well
versed in the vocal group sound that you prefer, you might
want to check out the vocal group surveys I did in the
1990s, the results of which we broadcasted on WFUV, from
right in your beloved New York City, in the Bronx
actually, at Fordham University. """
C'mon, Bruce. You say "well versed." That's a strictly
objective statement. You even say it's the sound that I
prefer (me), implying in opposition to YOU. There's
absolutely no mention or even a hint in your statement
about you LIKING the group sound. The other post you refer
to was not to ME, which is what I asked you. So, the "many
times" to ME isn't even ONE time. You never told ME - and
led me to believe quite the contrary by many of your
statements - that you liked vocal groups. I'm not a mind
reader. Your arguments, in fact, were very often quite
negative about the groups, in particular NYC groups. If
you're now telling me you like them, I believe you and
it's a welcome message. I'd be curious to know whom you
hold in high regard.
Steve Feinberg
NY, NY - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 05:25:40 (EDT)
"""And where did I state that the groups were MORE
significant than Chuck Berry, Little Richard or Elvis
Presley? You downplayed the groups. I downplayed NO one. """
Here's what you said Feinberg:
"""What most oldies fans enjoy, apprecaite and want to hear
above all else is not "Johnny B. Goode." Not by a long
shot. I mean, if you ask any number of Americans in their
fifties or early sixties what songs stayed with them and
are the most memorable from that era, you're going to have
a lot more vocal group tunes than you'd probably care to
handle."""
"""""Cara Mia" and "Tell It To The Rain" are not doo-wops.""
Exactly what components of these songs disqualifies them?
I'm listening."""
In "Cara Mia" it's the preposterous operetic lead vocal.
Doo-wop is the music of the streets, not some neo-opera
bullshit.
In "Tell It To The Rain" it's the the modern
instrumentation and the lack of any real harmony singing,
and the lack of a bass singer. Also the progressive bridge
with the the "Tell it baby, yeah" part and the sound
effects.
"""Where in your posted replies to ME did you state "many
times" that you liked the vocal group sound? Where? """
Here you go:
"""By the way Feinberg, in case you don't think I am well
versed in the vocal group sound that you prefer, you might
want to check out the vocal group surveys I did in the
1990s, the results of which we broadcasted on WFUV, from
right in your beloved New York City, in the Bronx
actually, at Fordham University. """
Below was not a reply to you, but was the last post made
before you first came here and posted, so I assume that you
read it Feinberg.
"""By the way, I like these vocal groups just as much or
more than you two do, I just don't delude myself into
thinking that they were all that important in the overall
scheme of 1950s rock and roll music."""
Bruce
- Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 03:24:17 (EDT)
""These stats should demonstrate pretty clearly that group
harmony was not the predominant trend in 1950s R&;B.""
I never claimed that group harmony was "predominant."
""I'm A Happy Man" reached # 2 in NY, stuck
behind "Satisfaction.""
And #36 NATIONALLY.
""Cara Mia" and "Tell It To The Rain" are not doo-wops.""
Exactly what components of these songs disqualifies them?
I'm listening.
""Morse Code Of Love" by the Capris never made any
national charts, only the later Manhattan Transfer
version, re-titled "Baby Come Back To Me," scraped on to
the charts.""
Call it by any title you choose. Same doo wop song. It was
a hit, as I said, and charted NATIONALLY.
""As I've told you many times, I like the vocal group
sound. I just don't dilude myself into thinking that it's
more significant than Chuck Berry, Little Richard and
Elvis Presley like your friends, the two NY Annies.""
Where in your posted replies to ME did you state "many
times" that you liked the vocal group sound? Where? What
you've said "many times," and quite definitively, was in
your berating of NYC vocal groups, and they were a major
part of the sound you say you like. And where did I state
that the groups were MORE significant than Chuck Berry,
Little Richard or Elvis Presley? You downplayed the
groups. I downplayed NO one. You foolishly played Devil's
Advocate.
"""The Beatles are among my FAVORITE musical ensembles of
all time -- from Beatles '65 through Rubber Soul, Revolver
and all the way on to Lennon's solo material. """
""I'll forward this info to UGFHA, and Ronnie will
promptly expel you from the organization.""
Surprised you, huh? But look how presumptions you always
are. Anyway, do forward it to Ronnie. I'm not a member.
Never was. Another surprise.
"""who are some of your favorite classical music
composers? What pieces? What interpretations? What labels?
What orchestras? What conductors do you prefer? Hmm?"""
""I think they all suck.""
That's my boy. If you don't like it or understand it, it
sucks. What a guy. Fooey on Mozart, Bach, Beethoven,
Chopin, Wagner, and all the great and lasting music of the
centuries. I'm not surprised that your foundation for
music is limited to relatively recent times. You're in an
R&;B ditch. How about jazz? Does that suck too.
Steve Feinberg
NY, NY - Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 01:59:37 (EDT)
Rather than talking about inductees of the modern Rock &
Roll Hall of Fame, I think it's more to the point to look
at Joel Whitburn's list of the Top 20 *R&;B* Artists of the
Fifties, based on the Billboard R&;B charts. Of those top
20, only 20% are vocal groups--the Clovers, Drifters,
Platters, and Dominoes. Of his Top 40 #1 R&;B Hits of the
Fifties, 11 are by vocal groups, again distinctly a
minority. By contrast, 4 out of those 40 #1 hits are by
one artist--Fats Domino!
These stats should demonstrate pretty clearly that group
harmony was not the predominant trend in 1950s R&;B.
If you guys remember, that was what your original argument
was about.
By the way, Steve, Bruce and I have been arguing about
music since 1999.
Diane
NYC, - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 22:17:47 (EDT)
"""You can't trust ANYTHING Bruce says. He doesn't even
know that there were doo wop hits in the mid sixties. In
1965 the Jive Five charted #36 Pop with "I'm a Happy Man."
Jay & the Americans' "Cara Mia" went to #4, followed by
other hits up until 1969! The Four Seasons' "Tell It to the
Rain" went to #10 in 1967. And there are more. Even as
late as the early 80's a pure doo-wopper like "Morse Code
of Love" was a hit."""
"I'm A Happy Man" reached # 2 in NY, stuck
behind "Satisfaction."
"Cara Mia" and "Tell It To The Rain" are not doo-wops.
"Morse Code Of Love" by the Capris never made any national
charts, only the later Manhattan Transfer version, re-
titled "Baby Come Back To Me," scraped on to the charts.
As I've told you many times, I like the vocal group sound.
I just don't dilude myself into thinking that it's more
significant than Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Elvis
Presley like your friends, the two NY Annies.
"""The Beatles are among my FAVORITE musical ensembles of
all time -- from Beatles '65 through Rubber Soul, Revolver
and all the way on to Lennon's solo material. """
I'll forward this info to UGFHA, and Ronnie will promptly
expel you from the organization.
"""who are some of your favorite classical music composers?
What pieces? What interpretations? What labels? What
orchestras? What conductors do you prefer? Hmm?"""
I think they all suck.
Bruce
- Monday, September 05, 2005 at 21:20:04 (EDT)
""" Cat got your tongue about the mid-
60's DOO WOP chart hits you didn't know existed? """
What are you talking about. I answered her. Where did "The
Stars" ever chart?
Bruce
- Monday, September 05, 2005 at 21:12:33 (EDT)
""If I thought you still had any hair I'd tell you to go
and comb your D.A. Feinberg.""
Sorry to once again have to correct you, but I have ALL my
hair. Would you like a signed 8x10? I think maybe you have
too MUCH hair. But it matches your temperament.
""You have absolutely no objective perspective on the
evolution of rock and roll Feinberg. All you have is your
own personal experience of prefering the vocal group
sound.""
Here you go again. I have as much, if not MORE of a
perspective than you. We simply have different
preferences. But unlike YOU, I hate NOTHING about the
rock'n'roll we've been talking about.
""I don't even have to ask you what you think of the
Beatles and other rock music of the 1960s and later. I've
seen your kind for over 30 years now, a dime a dozen""
How many times can you goof-up and be wrong??!! It's
astounding. Your presumptions are a disease. The Beatles
are among my FAVORITE musical ensembles of all time --
from Beatles '65 through Rubber Soul, Revolver and all the
way on to Lennon's solo material. Since you enjoy straying
from the precise subject at hand, who are some of your
favorite classical music composers? What pieces? What
interpretations? What labels? What orchestras? What
conductors do you prefer? Hmm?
So...I see you chose to ignore the subject Diane
questioned you about. Cat got your tongue about the mid-
60's DOO WOP chart hits you didn't know existed? What a
thorough researcher you are. Do you EVER admit when you're
wrong?
Later tonight or tomorrow. I can't sit in front of a
monitor all day like you.
Steve Feinberg
NY, NY - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 20:36:40 (EDT)
What's the title of Feinberg's record?
unknown soldier
- Monday, September 05, 2005 at 20:01:58 (EDT)
Knox: Your metier is not in writing an intelligible
sentence either. Maybe you're trying too hard. And you
actually took me seriously about the book? Wow. Listen...
Bruce is barely worth replying to. You are not. Stop
wasting my time and everyone elses. Have a nice life.
Steve Feinberg
NY, NY - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 19:58:21 (EDT)
"""In truth, Silvani liked it, if as you say he
was involved. """
Amazing that he could even communicate that to you, as bad
as he was strung out on heroin back then.
"""(Actually it was a chap named Harold from
Times Square.) """
One of Louie's drug buddies?
"""And speaking of your OTHER non participant
trivia hobby -- baseball """
Umpires are participants Feinberg. there are 8 umpires in
the baseball hall of fame.
We've gotten way off track here Feinberg. I'm still waiting
for you to provide some credible evidence for your
assertions saying that the vocal group sound is greater
than records like "Johnny B. Goode" and "What'd I Say." How
about just one respectable music critic who agrees with you?
Let's see. Here are the charter members of the Rock And
Roll Hall Of Fame:
Chuck Berry
Ray Charles
James Brown
Sam Cooke
Fats Domino
Everly Brothers
Buddy Holly
Jerry Lee Lewis
Elvis Presley
Little Richard
Not one vocal group among the first ten inductees.
Here are the second group of inductees:
Coasters
Eddie Cochran
Bo Diddley
Aretha Franklin
Bill Haley
Marvin Gaye
B.B. King
Clyde McPhatter
Ricky Nelson
Roy Orbison
Carl Perkins
Smokey Robinson
Joe Turner
Muddy Waters
Jackie Wilson
So from among the first 25 artists inducted into the hall,
we have a whopping one vocal group, the Coasters.
If I thought you still had any hair I'd tell you to go and
comb your D.A. Feinberg.
You have absolutely no objective perspective on the
evolution of rock and roll Feinberg. All you have is your
own personal experience of prefering the vocal group sound.
I don't even have to ask you what you think of the Beatles
and other rock music of the 1960s and later. I've seen your
kind for over 30 years now, a dime a dozen.
Bruce
- Monday, September 05, 2005 at 19:46:35 (EDT)
DIANE:
You can't trust ANYTHING Bruce says. He doesn't even know
that there were doo wop hits in the mid sixties. In 1965
the Jive Five charted #36 Pop with "I'm a Happy Man." Jay
& the Americans' "Cara Mia" went to #4, followed by other
hits up until 1969! The Four Seasons' "Tell It to the
Rain" went to #10 in 1967. And there are more. Even as
late as the early 80's a pure doo-wopper like "Morse Code
of Love" was a hit.
Don't take Bruce too seriously.
Later.
Steve Feinberg
NY, NY - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 19:43:09 (EDT)
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