Comments - Greatest Alternative Rap/Hip-Hop Artists.
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Tristan Branch
What about Rakim, Biggie, Andre 3000, Nas, Common, Mos Def, Talib
Kweli! The list goes on and on. No 50 Cent is nowhere near the
lyrical abilities of 2pac or Eminem, and Eminem nor 50 Cent should be
ranked anywhere near 2pac lyrically. (Though I do have respect for
Eminem.)
Chris
Chicago, - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 21:42:18 (EDT)
PAC,50, AND EM ARE THE BEST
THEIR ON THE THE SAME LEVEL BASICALLY
IM BACK BITCH, AND I HAVE A NEW UNDERSTANDING 2PAC IS ON 50'S LEVEL
BUT SO IS EMINEM. THEY ARE THE THREE HOTTEST RAPPERS TO THIS DATE
LYRICS WISE. IM NOT HERE TO ARGUE WITH ANYONE IM JUST HERE TO SAY
WHAT MY OPINIONS ARE. NO REASON TO JUMP ON ME. PAC,50,EM (THE hOTTEST)
TRISTAN BRANCH
CHICAGO, ILLINOIS UNITED STATES - Sunday, April 03, 2005 at 18:20:23 (EDT)
First of all, 50 Cent's latest album is bullshit, thats final
Tristin, when he flows it sends you to sleep and his rhymes are weak.
Curtis cant touch Tupac, he never will, dont even play?! He is not
alternative and therefore does not belong on this list, he belongs
with his peers on the billboard chart, selling out. What you on about?
Rod
UK - Saturday, April 02, 2005 at 11:56:54 (EST)
50 cent???? Tristin your pretty god damn stupid "he speaks the truth 'if i don't like a nigga,i
don't pretend to/i have the paramedics wrap ya fuckin head like a hindu'" how the fuck
would you use that dumb ass fucking line as an example of speaking the truth, thats some
of the most stereotypical racist shit ive heard in hip hop. Hindus and Muslims dont typically
(keyword typically) wrap shit....sikhs of northern india wear turbans which have to be tied
not wraped and is not a fucking bandage...and if you think 50 belongs on the list you are
pretty god damn stupid...only lists that 50 could make it on is "commercial exploitation of
hip hop", "mindless club bangers of the 90's", "crack dealers turned celeberties" etc etc
Gopi
LA, CA USa - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 17:14:49 (EST)
Like Todd said; hell, Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer have two of the best
selling rap albums of all time...
...guess that says a lot about sales, huh?
Mario
- Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 19:30:05 (EST)
Even 50 Shit said "My favorite rapper used to say 'check out my
melody..."
Even 50 Shit knows that Rakim is the muthafucking MAN! He knows
greatness when he sees it; and I guarantee you he ain't seeing it in
the mirror. Rakim NEVER had a platinum album; but you ask any hip-hop
head who the greatest MC ever is; and RAKIM will be at LEAST mentioned
as one of the best, if not THE best. So fuck sales. Sales is a way for
stupid people to determine what music they wanna listen to. You don't
have the balls to go out and check out stuff for yourself, so you let
the fucking Billboard charts tell you what's 'hot.' Fucking mallrats,
I wish y'all would go back to listening to B2K and give hip-hop back
to the people that love it.
Y'all have poisoned a great art form.
Mario
- Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 19:28:40 (EST)
Oh and Tristan, 50 needed eminem, Busta Rhymes, Dr. Dre, and a verse
from Tupac to beat murder inc so don't go around saying he single
handedly beat them.
Matt
Miami, - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 18:58:31 (EST)
Tristan you haven't said anything in a while, you busy suckin 50's
dick. Listen 50 cent is a bubblegum rapper who never leaves the
motherfuckin club. It seems like that's where all his songs take
place. If you want to listen to real lyricists, check some Rakim or
Mos Def.
Matt
Miami, - Monday, March 28, 2005 at 18:51:48 (EST)
any gay 50 cent impersonaters looking for a companion give me a holler
at TRL
carson daily
new york, new york - Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 20:54:51 (EST)
he he shamown motha fuka i fink i am the best artist ever havent any
of yal seen thriller?? or bad?? i am da bomb put me at no 1 and
remember im bad im bad you know it.
micheal jackson
jail, jail neverland - Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 15:50:56 (EST)
i cannot fukin believe that you hav not included 2pac,NWA,snoop dogg
50 cent and dr dre on your list its a fukin discrase get sum proper
music
chazza
birmingham, england - Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 15:46:43 (EST)
pls include my very good nigga natedog,the king of collabo
nate dog
new york, nk usa - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 14:40:35 (EST)
hello everyone...well i need some help...i m not a big music fan so i
dont know nething about hiphop..i am in love with this women whos
into hiphop and i really wanna make her an amazing hiphop cd ...dont
worry just to show that i like her ...so if neone can please email me
with a list of some really nice songs ..no MOVE BITCH GET OUT THE WAY
stuff.....i be really thank full to you....God bless you all....my
email is huha666@yahoo.com
ali
montreal, quebec canada - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 22:09:20 (EST)
Tristan Branch you are a discrace to TRL. You suck.
Go lick 50's puss puss. Holla back.
Carson Daily
TRL!!!.....BITCHES, NEW YORK USA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 22:44:56 (EST)
eminem probably helps 50 with all his lyrics all that shit he be
spittin be eminems shit. 50 don't want it with nas or jada cause one
on one they would drag his ass.
lil kay
atl, ga - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 13:57:21 (EST)
50's whole album is GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIL KAY
ATL, GA - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 07:54:20 (EST)
he ended ja rules career cause ja rule is a weak rapper like he is, 50
cant end eanyone else career he knows where his place is. I hope
people realize that 50 is weak as hell and he can't go anywhere with 5
0 shit he is 5 0
lil kay
atl, ga - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 07:51:38 (EST)
Tristan;
Look at your NUMBER ONE reason for 50 being number one:
He dismantled Ja's career.
LOL, wtf does that have to do with him as an artist? I mean, Ja sucks
anyway. So that's like taking candy from a baby. Second, that's just
a stupid way to determine what's number one. With every post you make
yourself sound more and more ignorant. Never mind the fact that this
is the ALTERNATIVE rap list. 50 Cent is/has never been/will never be
ALTERNATIVE rap.
Todd
- Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 13:00:48 (EST)
I said 5 legitimate reasons! 50 is NOT NOT NOT better than 2pac,
Public Enemy, Run-DMC, Outkast, The Roots, Talib Kweli etc. So what
if he dismantled Ja Rule's career. Does that make him a better rapper
than Mos Def!? No! 50 has yet to prove himself outside of the group
of people such as you who watch fucking TRL everyday. Ask 50 who is
the best and I am sure he could not honestly say he is better than
Rakim or KRS ONE. Oh he dissed Ja R.U.L.E whoop dee doo! I could come
up with the word "wanksta!" What you need to do is start brushing up
on your musical taste because you have not said one thing that would
make any TRUE hip hop fan change their mind.
Chris
Chicago, - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 12:58:43 (EST)
REPLY TO THE HATERS
5 REWASONS 50 SHOULD BE # 1
50 Cent's lyrical style is laid back and he has that "i don't give a
fuck attitude"
1. He dismantled Ja's Career
2. His flows are exclusive ("I react like an animal,i tear you
apart/if a masterpiece was muder,i'll kill you in art")
3. He speaks the truth ("if i don't like a nigga,i don't pretend to/i
have the paramedics wrap ya fuckin head like a hindu")
4. He is publicly known (not self proclaimed like Jay Z) as the best
hip hop underground artist of all time ("i'm the diamond in the dirt
that ain't been found/i'm the underground king and i ain't been
crowned")
5. He'll kill any old school rap artist with one flow ("these niggas
hate me/fuck them O.G niggas they stuck in the 80s")
By the way I went out aND bought illmatic it was hot but i just like
get rich or die tryin better.
Tristan Branch
Chicago, ILLINOIS United States - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 09:14:07 (EST)
Tristan Branch
That's all it means to you sales, sales, sales! Those critics who
said the album would be weak were right and the sales didn't change
that. Not all great artists sell millions! I can tell from every post
you've made that you are a materialized and musically uneducated
person. You probably don't know shit about classic hip-hop, and half
of what you do know about modern rap is either false statements, or
just retarded attempts at trying to sound smart. You say that Jay-Z's
album sold better than 2pac's and Jay-z's! A real true hip hop fan
would know better than to say shit like that. Who cares, 2pac and Jay-
Z all had better albums than 50 Cent. I'd like to see 50 go against a
classic hip hop artists. You probably just dismiss music made
before "Illmatic" as irrelevent (do you even know what Illmatic
is!!!??) I'd like to see 50 Cent go against ANYONE on this list. I'd
like to see 50 Cent go against any old school rap artist! He
couldn't, he would be murdered by any classic hip hop artists.
Chris
Chicago, - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 03:01:06 (EST)
Tristan Branch
Did you even read the top of this list where it gives the criteria?!
50 does not fit into any of those categories! He is not innovative,
influential, or creative, he is just a weak rapper with some good
beats. Do you honestly think he should be above Run-DMC in terms of
influence and in musical quality! Is 50 Cent a better rapper than any
of the people in RUN-DMC!? No! Will 50 Cent be remembered for
anything 10 years from now except for cool beats and a few gunshots?
No! RUN-DMC deserves to be remembered forever, but thanks to ignorant
and idiotic people like you they may come to be replaced by thugz and
gangstas. Get your facts straight before you say shit.
Chris
Chicago, - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 20:07:19 (EST)
Tristan Branch
I may need to step up on typing but when it comes to music, you the
one who needs to get a fucking education. Don't try to play like you
know more than me in ANY genre, because judging from your lameass, 50
should be number 1 post, you got ALOT to learn. So let's make a deal.
I'll learn how to type and you come back here and give me 5
legitimate reasons as to why 50 should be number one.
Chris
Chicago, - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 20:00:40 (EST)
100 Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Albums of the 90s Link:
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_rap-alb-90.html
Todd
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 19:07:22 (EST)
There mere fact that you said 50 is better than Pac makes you a
moron. I guarantee in ten years, nobody will give a rat's ass about
50 Cent. Muthafuckas probably won't even remember him.
Todd
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 15:58:50 (EST)
tristan branch;
Here's a fact:
'Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em' by MC Hammer and 'To the Extreme' by
Vanilla Ice are two of the best selling rap albums of all time.
You know what that means?
Sales and greatness don't mean the same thing. I don't give a shit
how many records an artist sells. If that's the only way you know how
to defend 50 Cent, then I feel for you. You don't mention one thing
about his music, all you mention are his sales. That's what's fucked
up rap music nowadays; people care more about sales than music.
Nobody in their right mind would ever think 50 was a top three
ANYTHING of all-time; the fact you do says more about your taste in
music than 50 Cent's 'talent.' Like I said before, though; you're
probably just some high school chick who just bought her first CD two
years ago.
You make yourself sound like a jackass who doesn't know shit about
hiphop. Not that I'm saying that you ARE; I'm just saying you sound
like one.
Todd
- Friday, March 18, 2005 at 15:57:40 (EST)
if i were jada or fat joe i wouldn't of responded to "piggybank" cause
it didn't sound like a big diss the disses weren't over 2 lines, so it
was dumb of them to fire back at 50 with a whole diss song. They are
just giving 50 a chance to end their career's and publically blast
them they need to calm down and wait till 50 get at his weak point.
lil kay
atl, ga - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 11:55:32 (EST)
so you think that since 50 sells more records he is a better lyricist
than nas or jay-z come on album sales don't matter!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lil kay
atl, ga - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 08:07:57 (EST)
REPLY TO CHRIS
You notice anything about your reply. you can't spell "word" and yo
dumb ass try to speak on 50. Step yo game up.
Tristan Branch
Chicago, ILLINOIS United States - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 01:56:20 (EST)
All of Jada's and Fat Joe's solo projects put together didn't make
more money than 50's debut "Get Rich or Die Tryin'". 50 Cent made up
to $40,000+ in the year of 2003 alone. His reign is a reign of
terror, He is rap's possessed one. Quote: (I'm Supposed to Die
Tonight) "Sometimes I sit and and look at life from a different
angle/don't know if I'm God's child or Satan's Angel".
Tristan Branch
Chicago, ILLINOIS United States - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 01:51:55 (EST)
TO LIL KAY
If you knew anything "piggy Bank" was just a set off to kick off beef
with Jada and Fat Joe for making a song with Ja Rule (New York). 50
was just dissin' them to see if they wanted a taste of the flow that
single-handedly dismantled mult-platinum selling star Ja Rule. Peep
the last lines on the second verse of "piggy bank" -"this is chess
not checkers, these are warning shots/and after yo next move, I give
you what I got"- You see 50 was just tryin' to tip them off so that
he can throw some real diss tracks at their lame asses.
Tristan Branch
Chicago, ILLINOIS United States - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 01:43:35 (EST)
FUCK ALL YALL
50 IS BETTER THAN PAC AND JAY Z BITCH
What the fuck do yall mean 50 Cent deserves to be at the top of every
chart that their is. Critics said that the "Massacre" was going to be
weak but the truth is that it's sold a lot more than get rich or die
tryin' so far. And to yall 2Pac fans Pac's first three albums put
together didn't sell more than get rich or die tryin' alone. That
goes the same for Jay Z's weak ass first 3 albums.
Tristan Branch
Chicago, ILLINOIS United States - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 01:34:19 (EST)
100 Greatest Rap/Hip-Hop Albums of the 90s is coming!!!
Todd
- Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 16:28:26 (EST)
I think that 50 cent only sells a lot because he make pop records that
dumb ass people buy cause they like the beat.If they were true fans
they would listen to the lyrics and see how lame he is. Rappers like
jada and nas don't need record sales cause they flow for tha streets.
Has anyone heard 50's "piggybank" that has to be one of the lame ass
diss records in hip hop history
Nas put a ETHER 2 on 50
lil kay
atlanta, georgia u.s.a. - Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 14:49:59 (EST)
k-os should be here for sure, hes top 20 material
andre
- Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 12:03:18 (EST)
get skull fucked
ned the ted the bed the fed the leg
- Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 00:10:30 (EST)
Artists that deserve credit, get credit. Outkast gets their credit cuz
they deserve it.
Scarface
Outkast
Nappy Roots
Geto Boys
Arrested Development
Eightball & MJG
Goodie MOB
Field Mob
...all deserve to their props.
Lil Jon
Cash Money
Yin Yang Twins
No Limit
3-6 Mafia
Trillville
...should all be dropped off of a fucking cliff.
Todd
- Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 16:35:09 (EST)
I am surprised that outcast is in the top 10 cause the south neva
really had much credit as it deserved.
lil kay
atlanta, georgia u.s.a. - Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 14:48:56 (EST)
Yes I agree. It is so unfortunate that so many people recognize him
for that 'beef' though. Most of them are the same people who help
bring up 50's album and ticket sales. It sucks pretty bad. And the
worst part is their favorite 2pac song is "CHANGES" AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Chris
Chicago, - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 17:33:25 (EST)
It's important to keep things in perspective--
2Pac was a GREAT artist who had a lot of things to say about a lot of
different topics. His body of work speaks for itself. That it took a
tragic 'beef' for a lot of people to start paying attention to him is
more indicative of how clueless the record-buying public can be than
Pac's merits as an artist.
50 is just an overrated flash-in-the-pan, IMO. His music isn't THAT
much different from about thirty other 'hot' artists right now. He
doesn't really have shit to say and his skills as an MC are mediocre
at best. His 'beefs' are just a lame way to keep his name in the
paper.
Todd
- Monday, March 14, 2005 at 14:26:42 (EST)
Todd
Expanding on the 50 should be number one thing. People like and buy
50's albums more because of his lameass Game beef. Do you think the
same thing applies to 2PAC albums. I think it does because people who
never knew shit about 2pac before now rush out and buy albums buy him
and fight to the death for him to be number one on these pages. What
do you think?
Chris
Chicago, - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 22:34:36 (EST)
tristan branch that is the dumbest thing ive ever heard. 50 cent is
not alternative and who cares that he destroyed murder inc. he is shit
and lyrically he should not be on this list. u are on of the people
dumbing down rap music. go back 2 trl u stan
kyle
chicago, - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 22:23:57 (EST)
Tristan Branch
That's one of the stupidest posts I've read on here. First of all, as
was pointed out; this is the ALTERNATIVE rap list! So try to pay
attention to that. Second, just because 50 Cent is 'hot' right now and
has been hot for about two years doesn't make him an ALL-TIME great!
You're fucking fifteen or something, aren't you? In a couple of weeks,
there'll be some new idiot with a platinum chain and a catchy hook
that you'll be falling all over yourself for, anyway. Only a moron
would use record sales and beefs as justification for 'greatness.' Who
gives a fuck if 50 crushed Murder Inc? What does that have to do with
his greatness AS AN ARTIST!!??? Not a goddamn thing. That's what's
fucked up about rap fans now--you jackasses care more about all of
that soap opera bullshit than you do art. Like beefin' with someone
can make you great, lol. Y'all are fucking up the music.
Todd
- Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 13:59:20 (EST)
Tristan Branch
Notice anything different about this page? How about the owrd
ALTERNATIVE! 50 Cent is not alterantive and in terms of skill should
not be in any top 100 anywhere unless it is the shittiest artists
list.
Chris
Chicago, - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 11:40:27 (EST)
50 Cent,
He deserves to be number one.
It doesn't matter that the person that made this site probably
doesn't like him. But still go by the facts of the record sells
I think that it's bull shit that 50 Cent isn't numbers 1,2,or 3. I
really don't appreciate it. I mean this guy has worled his ass off
and has the number one selling debut album of all time. And he single
handly dismantled Irv Gotti's Murder Inc. Record imprint with the
song wanksta. This list is bull shit. Ja Rule was a number one
selling artist until 50 came out. Murder Inc. was on top and 50
smashed their lame asses. 50 is the best.
Tristan Branch
Chicago, ILLINOIS United States - Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 08:43:05 (EST)
The Beasties
#3 is good, but, #1 is better
West
- Friday, March 11, 2005 at 20:59:07 (EST)
Todd, yes, sidebar that´s what i´m saying.
Dick
- Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 07:50:42 (EST)
Dick;
I think it's a cool idea; I just don't know if there are enough
credible rap-rock artists to warrant a full list; maybe a sidebar.
Todd
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 21:28:15 (EST)
Todd, you didn´t tell me what do ya think about my Hip-Rock artits
list. So...
Dick
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 21:14:32 (EST)
WHERE THE FUCK IS SAGE FRANCIS!??!?!?!?!
sole
- Monday, March 07, 2005 at 20:06:33 (EST)
What about K-Os, Dizzee Rascal, Swollen Members and The Spooks?
The Laureate
Teaneck, NJ - Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 22:22:07 (EST)
or RJD2 ?
e
- Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 17:45:11 (EST)
What about The Avalanches?
e
- Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 17:26:28 (EST)
e,
Blackalicious is #43.
Todd
- Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 17:14:50 (EST)
As far as I'm concerned, MF Doom & Madlib should be near the top of this list.
e
- Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 17:09:57 (EST)
I don't see DJ Shadow or Blackalicious on this list?
e
- Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 16:57:45 (EST)
What about a sub-list of Hip-Rock artists, it could be:
1. RHCP
2. RATM
3. Beastie Boys
4. Korn
5. Limp Bizkt
6. Linkin Park
7. Kid Rock
8. Gorillaz
9. The Roots
10. Blondie
what do you Todd think about it?
Dick
- Sunday, March 06, 2005 at 09:23:34 (EST)
Where's Ill Mitch?
Jacob
- Friday, March 04, 2005 at 02:13:59 (EST)
What´s about Chops and Walkin´Large?
Chat
- Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 13:15:05 (EST)
What about Erykah Badu?
d*to
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 17:38:22 (EST)
Probably k-os as well
d*to
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 17:37:22 (EST)
I think dizzee rascal should be on this list
d*to
- Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 17:36:44 (EST)
Hey usher sucks
Shane
- Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 23:26:31 (EST)
Usher should be on the greatest artists because he has made so many
great songs. Also because he also won greatest male singer so should
he should definentily be on this list.
From Alli
Usher Raymond
Atlanta , Geogia United states of America - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 17:33:59 (EST)
Slum Village shold be higher up on the list.
Carl
London, England - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 06:57:27 (EST)
i can't believe that biggie smalls is not in the top 100 but you will
put some one like kanye west who indeed is talented but not better
and greater than the great FRANK WHITE>
BIGGIE SMALLS
- Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 00:34:31 (EST)
I gotta hand it to ya Todd, your an ed with real attitude!
Clarence
- Monday, February 14, 2005 at 23:02:33 (EST)
i got da best ting the only ting dat makes me gangster it ma fucked up
fake tooth ( ps quik phone da police there a groupe of boys arfter me
aaaarhhhhhhhhh m i bush) burn da bush,burn da bush my name is shasha
wainstock quik phone i dont wanna diiiiiieee
sasha wainstock
kilburn, dustbin london - Monday, February 14, 2005 at 05:37:13 (EST)
mf
Yo Todd told you straight up man! How can you possibly say that! Rap
is an art form. Your basing your opinion off of that shit you see on
MTV and thats not correct. I dont like many other forms of music but
I definetely don't dismiss all of it as crap. I HATE country but I
know that there are some country artists out there that I do not mind
listening to. (Willie Nelson, Ray Charles country phase, etc.) That
music appeals to me and thats what music is about, finding something
that appeals to you. I'm sure that if you were less ignorant you
could definetely find a style of rap you like: for example "The
Roots" who blend many styles of music into rap. I am a HUGE rock fan
and despise many forms of country but you dont find me going onto
country chats and dismissing the cultures of those people who do
appreciate country because that's how they were brought up and that's
what they like. So next time before you stereotype this form of
music, with phrases such as quote: "alternative PHAT rap crap" which
basically sums up your level of ignorance, do some more research on
the subject and you may find an album you like. If not and you find
that rock suits you betterthen so be it but please do not feel the
need to come on here and piss off everyone on this motherfuckin page.
I hope you've learned something.
Chris
Chitown, - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 22:42:46 (EST)
Well, mf; since you are so knowledgeable about hip-hop, I can only
assume that you are posing that question sarcastically to make
someone look like an idiot.
Well, I will humor you long enough to answer...
'Alternative' Hip-Hop is hip-hop that deviates from the sometimes all-
too-familiar stereotypes of rap music. Most of the acts listed above
are more thoughtful, quirky, and experimental than most of the rap
that YOU obviously see everyday on TRL. They incorporate elements of
jazz, rock, funk, psychadelia and other styles into their sounds and,
via their creativity; ensure that hip-hop will not be pushed
completely into a corner by narrow-minded video programmers and
record labels who consistently mass-produce this 'bling-bling video
thug' garbage to sell to rebellious suburbanites who want to piss off
their parents. For every crap artist like 50 Cent and Chingy; there's
a Talib Kweli or an Aesop Rock. For every materialistic hoodrat like
Lil Kim; there's an introspective poet like Jean Grae. I created this
list to remind some of the unenlightened masses (such as yourself)
that these artists DO exist. I guarantee you've probably never heard
any of them (except maybe Outkast); and decided to come on here to
flaunt the uniform superiority of ROCK in the faces of the ignorant
hip-hopper. But, I assure you; that all rock is not GOOD music (and
thusly, all rap is not BAD music). Nickelback sucks; Sum 41 sucks;
Good Charlotte sucks; and none of them have an iota of the
creativity/artistry of A Tribe Called Quest or Outkast. So, in
closing; I would like to say, unequivocally:
Go fuck yourself.
Todd
- Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 10:25:43 (EST)
There is a phrase in the rock world (you know GOOD music) where we
dismiss a so called 'alterative' group by using Alternative To WHAT?
This list is easily the list that shows acts that are well
ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT more PHAT rap crap?
mf
- Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 06:24:32 (EST)
stunna method
Number 42; I believe.
stunna method
- Friday, February 04, 2005 at 17:27:36 (EST)
Dead prez should be on this.
stunna method
UAE - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 23:23:51 (EST)
Now this is my kind of shit. This people, is the kind of rap that you
should check out if you continually say that rap is crap.
The Man
- Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 00:43:24 (EST)
This is the link:
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_rap-alb-alt.html
Todd
- Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 17:54:48 (EST)
The 100 Greatest Alt-Rap Albums List was just finished; so it should
be up soon.
Todd
- Friday, January 28, 2005 at 19:03:18 (EST)
limp bizkit?more like limp dick no masta ace seriously
simon
stockport, manchester uk - Friday, January 28, 2005 at 18:56:58 (EST)
You put the visionaries on here now!
sleep master j
- Thursday, January 27, 2005 at 18:59:02 (EST)
mf doom , kool kieth , company flow ,wu tang ,c-n-n,talib kweli,mos
def,cant think right now
masta lew
ipswich, england uk - Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 10:21:11 (EST)
cypress hill , everlast ,........limp bizkit
MOORES
UK, UK UK - Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 12:42:51 (EST)
Here's the link to the finished hip-hop Timeline:
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_rap-timeline1.html
Todd
- Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 10:58:49 (EST)
The Streets are too commercial for this list IMO, more mainstream
than alternative. Massive Attack, Tricky and Portishead deserve to be
on here.
Clarence
- Friday, January 21, 2005 at 20:40:00 (EST)
TRICKY AND BUTTHOLE SURFERS!
mattie
- Friday, January 21, 2005 at 14:06:48 (EST)
Someone seriously has to think about adding Mike Skinner from "The
Streets" into the list.
david
australia - Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 20:06:32 (EST)
- - - - - The List Was Revised At This Point - 1/16/05 - - - - -
In the revision; he is much higher. There are four or five additions
and Bubba Sparxxx, Us3, and Harmony are among those that have been
dropped from the list completely.
Todd
- Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 17:40:07 (EST)
MF Doom, because of his current stature, should be waaay higher.
Daddio
- Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 14:09:52 (EST)
Hip-Hop TIMELINE is up! There are a few events that have to be added;
and some photos; but this is the timeline link:
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_rap-timeline1.html
Todd
- Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 19:34:25 (EST)
Q-Tip's solo career could've been better.
Todd
- Tuesday, January 11, 2005 at 19:47:38 (EST)
bubba sparxx higher than q-tip... what an insult
playmaker38
atlanta, GA - Tuesday, January 11, 2005 at 19:18:12 (EST)
outkast shuld b 1st cause they did roses
the fruity shit
- Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 22:33:30 (EST)
WHERE IS CANIBUS
yo blad
- Tuesday, January 04, 2005 at 11:31:10 (EST)
Del's nickname in the group is Deltron Z.. I think that's what he
meant.
crooks
- Monday, January 03, 2005 at 20:59:16 (EST)
Actually, Deltron 3030 is made up of Del the Funkee Homosapien, Dan
the Automator, and Kid Koala. That's why I split them up.
Todd
- Monday, January 03, 2005 at 17:58:34 (EST)
Just in case you didn't know Deltron is Del the funky homosapien but
you probably already knew that just wanted to give him some extra
credit eh. You could although add his crew the HIEROGLYPHICS. Check
their new album FULL CIRCLE, I personally like the tracks Classic, and
the Powers that Be. Peace
Zigmund
Steel City, Ontario Canada - Monday, January 03, 2005 at 16:18:17 (EST)
Have you forgotten about Cypress Hill?!?
How about one hit wonder House of Pain?
Tom
Hammond, IN USA - Monday, December 27, 2004 at 22:29:00 (EST)
the criteria for this list; as listed above:
'These artists
operate outside of the traditional subject matter and/or musical
approach that is associated
with mainstream hip-hop at any given time. This is NOT a list based
solely on 'underground' artists.'
Todd
- Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 19:54:01 (EST)
stephen;
'Alternative' does not necessarily equal 'underground.' Some of these
artists are mainstream i.e. popular; but their approach is what makes
them 'alternative.' To say Missy Elliott has never been groundbreaking
is just flat-out wrong. The problem with most people is that when
something is so well known (as Missy's music is); you get used to it,
and 'familiarty breeds contempt.' Because we've had a good seven years
of her sound; some of us forget how unique her sound was when it was
introduced. Her debut album is one of the most quirky, fun, and
genrebending debuts in mainstream hiphop history. These artists all
bucked what was considered 'mainstream' in their particular eras. In
1997--no one sounded like Missy did. That's why she's on this list.
For that matter, Tribe Called Quest were not some underground group
that no one had ever heard before. They were played on TV and radio
just as much as anything else; as was De La Soul, Digable Planets,
Arrested Development and many, many more of these artists. But, they
went 'against the grain' of what was the norm for hiphop. THATS what
makes them alternative.
As for Big L; I'll give you that. maybe he is a little too hardcore
for this list. Might have to drop him...we'll see.
And I don't have a hardon for Missy; if I based my lists on personal
tastes; she wouldn't be as high. My lists are COMPLETELY objective;
and are NOT necessarily a reflection of who my favorite artists might
be.
Todd
- Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 19:52:07 (EST)
i think your definition of "alternative" is illdefined. hard for me to
see how Big L is "alternative", he doesn't bridge genres that much, i
say he's a little too gangsta for this list. why's lauryn and fugees
both on this list? her solo's quite mainstream.
BTW, not sure if you noticed, but you have a hardon for missy elliot.
she's never been groundbreaking in her "alternativeness".
stephen
Bay Area, CA USA - Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 18:08:54 (EST)
Finally someone is willing to give A Tribe Called Quest the respect
that deserve.
Peter
Longwood, Fl. U.S. - Friday, December 17, 2004 at 18:03:25 (EST)
j cube,
Personally speaking I think Massive Attack are definitely more
rap/hip-hop than techno/dance. However I respect your opinion.
Todd,
You're interpretation of alternative rap/hip-hop was spot on.
Speaking for myself I consider progressive rock to be a blatant form
of alternative rock, indeed THE most alternative form of rock there
is.
Some people don't seem to know what alternative means [go look it up
on www.dictionary.com for those who don't]. Basically, whether you're
talking rap/hip-hop or rock there are 2 forms of it. People can say
it's space rock or trip-hop but when it comes down to it, it's either
alternative or mainstream [or occasionally a mix of the 2].
Clarence
- Monday, December 13, 2004 at 06:26:09 (EST)
Hey Todd, I don't mean to harp on like an old woman but I'm
interested in what you think of Massive Attack? Can you get hold of
any of their stuff? They're really good and I feel the best of the 3
very fine Bristolian 'trip-hop' acts [Portishead and Tricky being the
other 2]. Perhaps you've heard Massive Attack but didn't go a lot
on 'em? Let us know.
Clarence
- Monday, December 13, 2004 at 06:06:31 (EST)
say anything;
I wasn't sure about putting Black Star on the list; since I had Talib
and Mos seperately and they only recorded the one album under that
moniker. I was just waiting to see how everyone reacted. So far
you're only person to mention it.
Todd
- Sunday, December 12, 2004 at 16:51:34 (EST)
Where is Black Star?
say anything
- Sunday, December 12, 2004 at 14:57:38 (EST)
i agree with clearance todd u should listen to tricky, nice european
beats, clean rhymes, good stuff.i think its better than portishead.
try rascal is a mix of both with a bone type of flow.
revo
- Saturday, December 11, 2004 at 17:18:16 (EST)
leaders of the new school was the shit i didnt even remember them.
revo
- Saturday, December 11, 2004 at 17:13:35 (EST)
Here's another definition from allmusic.com:
Alternative Rap refers to hip-hop groups that refuse to conform to
any of the traditional stereotypes of rap, such as gangsta, funk,
bass, hardcore, and party rap. Instead, they blur genres, drawing
equally from funk and pop/rock, as well as jazz, soul, reggae, and
even folk.
Todd
- Friday, December 10, 2004 at 19:55:37 (EST)
Alternative rap artists are artists that go against whatever happens
to be the norm for hip-hop at any given point. These are all artists
that buck the trends of conventional rap music. It's not a list meant
exclusively for underground; and I think that that confuses some
people. It's basically a list for all of the artists that have dared
to be different.
Todd
- Friday, December 10, 2004 at 17:40:36 (EST)
Todd,
Break this category down for me cause I don't understand how Talib
Kwelli, Dilated Peoples(if we talkin bout the same ppl), Kanye West,
Missy Elliot, and Digital Underground fit the list or are considered
alternative artists in anyway.
10
- Wednesday, December 08, 2004 at 16:47:45 (EST)
j cube;
I don't really like Anthrax's stuff (their remake of 'Bring the Noize'
with P.E. sux); but I do respect the fact that they were among the
first to bridge that gap between rap and metal. Honestly, Run DMC
originated the idea musically. If you listen to a lot of their stuff,
('Rock Box,' 'Raising Hell', 'Tricky', 'King of Rock', and, of
course, 'Walk This Way'), you hear the fusion of metal and hiphop that
crappy bands like LImp Bizkit and Papa Roach would eventually run into
the ground.
Todd
- Wednesday, December 08, 2004 at 10:18:29 (EST)
p.s.
my rating for Anthrax:
innovation: 10
creativity: 5
popularity: 3.5
significance: 7
j-cube
- Wednesday, December 08, 2004 at 06:18:37 (EST)
Have you ever considered Anthrax? Heavy metal group from the 80's...
They were the first (that I know of...) to mix rap and metal genres.
Waaaay before it became even remotely acceptable to do so. I think the
closest thing was 'Walk this way' by Aerosmith/Run-DMC in terms of
timeline.
They weren't the greatest group on earth, but they certainly paved the
way for rap metal sub-genre, whether you like rap metal or not (I
don't). Just think they should be considered for that.
j-cube
- Wednesday, December 08, 2004 at 06:12:12 (EST)
Don't really know much about rap / hip-hop, but I don't think that
Massive Attack is really rap or hip-hop. More neatly fits into
dance/techno...
Maybe I'm wrong though...Good stuff anyway ;)
j-cube
- Wednesday, December 08, 2004 at 06:03:21 (EST)
K-OS should be added he is a Canadian hip hop artist who has some
realy geat stuff and should definatley be added on this least cheack
out some of his stuff like
crabbuckit
heaven only knows
superstar
also jurassic five should be moved up
rob
- Monday, December 06, 2004 at 20:59:13 (EST)
I gather you haven't heard Massive Attack Todd? They deserve to be on
here, they're like a British Outkast. Tremendously innovative and
diverse, with very deep, intelligent lyrics. Cool singing/rapping as
well. The only problem is that they lack popularity/significance in
the US.
Clarence
- Monday, December 06, 2004 at 17:07:25 (EST)
IM INSEARCH FOR A NEW ARTIST , I HAVE HER FIRST NAME WHICH IS NATALIE.
SHE WILL BE INCONCERT AT THE HARD ROCK CAFE. PLEASE HELP IN IDENTIFYING
HER FIRST AND LAST NAME AND HER LATEST HIT
NATALIE H
HOUSTONB, TX USA - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 15:29:05 (EST)
I really like Portishead's stuff (or at least some of it.)
Todd
- Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 20:34:56 (EST)
- - - - - The List Was Revised At This Point - 12/4/04 - - - - -
Todd,
Have you heard Massive Attack, Portishead or Tricky? If so what do
you make of them?
Clarence
- Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 05:56:47 (EST)
and the butthole surfers!
mattie
edmonton, ab canada - Friday, December 03, 2004 at 13:54:35 (EST)
get Tricky on that list!
mattie
edmonton, ab cANada - Friday, December 03, 2004 at 13:53:10 (EST)
The One;
Revisions are coming; although I didn't have time to move Atmosphere
or The Beatnuts up--but I did decide after I had already revised it
that Atmosphere DEFINITELY should go up; but it'll have to be on the
next go-round.
Todd
- Friday, December 03, 2004 at 10:33:37 (EST)
Good list... For me the main problems are Atmosphere being #64 (c'mon
they're at least a #20) and The Beatnuts being #84. I mean 84??????
Jeez...
The One
- Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 22:48:38 (EST)
Nuff respect to KRS-One; I just think that his career as a solo
artist has been a little sketchy. Like I said before; this is not
considering his work with BDP; only his solo stuff 94-present.
Todd
- Monday, November 29, 2004 at 08:59:49 (EST)
Good enough counterpoints. Glad to see some people who make these
lists listen to the visitors.
I agree that Missy has fun and all with her stuff, but who's to say
Busta doesn't have just as much? He's gotta be the one of the
goofiest, most out-there bastards in hip hop. Self-contained is
Busta's middle name. Also I do like Missy's use of the break beats
and stuff and saying she "sucks" was a little too harsh, maybe I was
just a little appalled to see Busta Bus' so far behind.
I think the main argument for KRS being ranked higher is: C'mon!
He's KRS-fucking-One!!
Alex P. Keaton
- Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 21:03:37 (EST)
Regarding Missy's 'Supa Dupa Fly'--
'Arguably the most influential album ever released by a female hip-hop
artist, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott's debut album, Supa Dupa Fly, is a
boundary-shattering postmodern masterpiece...'
Of course, that's just one review of one album, but I just wanted to
illustrate that I'm not only in my praise of Missy's talents as an
artist. I think that people over-generalize sometimes; and as a result
hip-hop heads have gotten to a point where they treat 'mainstream'
like it's a bad word.
Todd
- Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 18:04:06 (EST)
Chris F. hasn't been on here lately; I know he said it would be a
while before he could make some changes; so I don't know. I usually
just holla at him via posting here. I think I'm gonna be making my
first revisions this week; and believe me, your Missy vs. Busta
argument will be taken into consideration.
Todd
- Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 17:42:01 (EST)
And you still seem to be focused 97% of your argument on verbal skill.
I'll give you that; I can name 100 emcees that I think are better
lyricists than Missy; but only a handful that I think are better all-
around artists. She has a gift for writing fun, infectious songs; so
fun, in fact, that the average listener doesn't realize how creative
most of her songs are. Especially on her 'Under Construction' LP: she
reached back into classic hiphop breakbeats, infused them with her own
sense of quirky fun; and brought them into the new millenium. You can
lock her in the studio; by herself--and she can come out with an
album. She's a self-contained artist; a rarity in modern hiphop.
She's written and/or produced for almost EVERY supposedly 'hot' hiphop
artist of the past five years. Seeing as how hiphop started out as
a 'fun' medium; I think that we shouldn't piss on artists who have fun
with the music--(so long as it's creative and not dumbed down bullshit
like Ja Rule.)
Todd
- Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 17:39:38 (EST)
Alex;
You mis-quoted and mis-understood me:
I said that this is an alternative not 'underground' list. Meaning;
that some of these artists are mainstream and some of them are
underground; but they are ALL alternative: meaning they all defy or
defied what is or was considered the 'norm' for hiphop artists. Of the
mainstream rap artists of the late 90s/early 2000s Missy is one of the
most innovative, creative and talented artists in hiphop; and her
influence is pretty far-reaching. Going album for album with her and
Busta is fine; but you ignore things like influence and innovation.
I'd go so far to say that even Busta was influenced a little by what
Missy accomplished with her first LP 'Supa Dupa Fly' as far as quirky
samples and off-kilter videos. Look at Busta on his first album and
Busta on his second; he's a little more daring on the second one. Of
course, that doesn't necessarily guarantee he was influenced by Missy;
but, the way her sound and image changed what was visually and
musically acceptable in late 90s mainstream hip-hop; I wouldn't doubt
it.
Todd
- Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 17:32:35 (EST)
BTW, do you have any means of contact with the guy who made the "Best
Rap/Hip-Hop Songs" list? That is one awful list that hasn't been
fixed in a while.
Alex P. Keaton
- Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 15:48:53 (EST)
I can give you a perfectly good argument. You've been saying this is
alternative rather than mainstream, right? I can not think of any big
alternative rap/hip-hop fans/reviewers I've ever known or heard of who
would rank any Missy album over any Busta album. Only time I can ever
think of where Missy Elliot has been given better reviews than Busta
are on the mainstream scene. The mass appeal market.
Lyrics may not be everything, but Busta damn sure is head and
shoulders above Missy in that. That- and he can flow, has much more
charisma, voice, is about as popular, and anything else that should be
taken into consideration when comparing rappers. Also, I can't think
of a musical soul who Missy has influenced. Busta is on a whole
different plane (superior) than Missy Elliot, as are many others she's
ranked above.
Then again, I kind of thought the "Beep beep" line alone would prove
my point. :-)
Alex P. Keaton
- Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 15:46:24 (EST)
Oh, and this list is dedicated to ALTERNATIVE rap/hiphop artists. That
does NOT necessarily mean UNDERGROUND. These are artists that defied
the stereotypical conventions of hiphop of their particular peak era.
If you wonder 'Why KRS-One; but not BDP?" Because in the late 80s-
early 90s when BDP were making their best music; their brand of
politically conscious/socially aware hiphop wasn't an 'alternative',
political rap/conscious rap was popular--and as a result; so were
they. But; by the mid-90s post-gangsta-ism had taken over hiphop; so
KRS-One thought-provoking rhymes WERE the alternative to what was
considered to be the norm in rap circles. It's all relative. You can
be unique and still sell records, though--that is why multiplatinum
artists such as Outkast, Missy, The Beasties, and the Fugees make the
list. This is not a list that is designed to cater to
backpacking 'underground' fans; it is designed to show the wide
variety of hip-hop that is out there; in the mainstream and in the
underground. Hell, underground cats do just as much to pigeonhole
hiphop as the commercial guys do.
Todd
- Friday, November 26, 2004 at 20:13:35 (EST)
Oh, and Busta's albums have been...uneven to me. But; these lists are
designed to be moved around: artists come, artists go, artists are
raised, artists are lowered. Provide a good argument as to why Busta
should be over Missy and it will be taken into consideration for the
next revision. And, again--KRS-One is on here based SOLELY on his solo
career; NOT his work with BDP.
Todd
- Friday, November 26, 2004 at 20:07:09 (EST)
Oh, and musically; Missy is very influential.
Todd
- Friday, November 26, 2004 at 16:17:40 (EST)
Once again; like most modern hip-hop fans; you obsess over lyrics to
the point where you ignore anything else an artist may have to offer.
I never said Missy was a good lyricst; so for you to use lyrics as
the basis for your dismissal of her placement is a little short
sighted. She is one of the most creative, diverse, and prolific
artists in the hiphop industry. She's unafraid to push boundaries
musically and aesthetically and we should applaud her for it. Whether
or not she's the dopest emcee is irrelevant. And I don't base my list
on color necessarily; Outkast edges the Beasties in fearlessness and
diversity.
Todd
- Friday, November 26, 2004 at 16:16:58 (EST)
I don't like rap, but Run DMC? Beastie Boys, possibly the most
influenital "white" rappers below Outkast?
Kyle
- Friday, November 26, 2004 at 12:39:26 (EST)
"Beep beep, who got the keys to the Jeep? Vroooom...". Yep, Missy
sure tears it up.
Any reasoning for her being ranked better than Busta? I can not see
any whatsoever.
Alex P. Keaton
- Friday, November 26, 2004 at 07:04:26 (EST)
Alex P. Keaton; when I say TALENT, I mean all-around TALENT; not
necessarily emceeing skills; and KRS-One is only here for his solo
work; NOT his work with Boogie Down Productions; so based on
everything he's done as a solo artist; I think the positioning is
fair.
Todd
- Friday, November 26, 2004 at 06:26:16 (EST)
Missy Elliot sucks. If significance, talent, and popularity are the
things you rate on, Missy must be this high on popularity alone.
Busta Rhymes is more definitely more significant, talented, and
probably just as popular as Missy. Oh and her being above the great
KRS-One is a joke.
Alex P. Keaton
- Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 12:13:38 (EST)
Wu-Tang is NOT alternative hiphop, you fucking moron. This list
SPECIFICALLY caters to ALTERNATIVE rap artists.
Todd
- Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 16:24:06 (EST)
Camp Lo had ONE fucking CD; I base my lists on significance, talent,
and popularity; regardless of what you think is better than what;
that's the criteria is based on. Why don't you give some REAL
feedback instead of just insulting the list. You do recognize what
an 'alternative rapper' is, right? Please re-read the criteria!
Todd
- Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 15:40:21 (EST)
And Camp Lo only on 65!!! Did you ever listen to the first CD of em?
I'm forcing myself not to insult you too bad.
You better make a list with the best Britney Spears songs. Maybe you
suceed on that one.
Alex
same, as below - Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 10:33:06 (EST)
No Wu Tang? Sorry I didn't look behind the Nr.10 because I got sick
when reading the first 10. But this list must have been done by some
moron really. Outkast on 2.... Hehe that made me smile. There's
nobody who influenced Hip Hop so much like Wu Tang. Prove me wrong.
And I just seen Canibus in there. I'm laughing here. Please stop
making these lists because you have absolutely no clue. Pharcyde (
unique style ), KRS One and Funkdoobiest must be way more up aswell.
Don't forget to check out Heltah Skeltah. Besides put Gangstarr on
101 so he's off the list.
Thanks and have a good evening.
Alex
Berlin, Berlin Germany - Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 10:29:59 (EST)
is it true that the guy from gangstarr got arrested not to long ago.
Billy
- Monday, November 22, 2004 at 22:05:09 (EST)
Where's Aceyalone?
The Man
- Monday, November 22, 2004 at 01:56:03 (EST)
saul williams could be up here
Allen
- Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 12:12:46 (EST)
Todd,
Another great list man!
Doc
Texas - Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 11:50:07 (EST)
great list, just wish "immortal technique" was on it. He's on Viper
and he really has something to say.
what
- Thursday, November 18, 2004 at 16:48:48 (EST)
I just want to reiterate to anyone who posts here:
This is NOT a list of underground artists! Alternative means anyone
who went 'against the grain' in hiphop music; mainstream or otherwise.
Todd
- Thursday, November 18, 2004 at 13:15:52 (EST)
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